| THANKS LYNN!!! |
| |
5/31/100: Jon Rosenbaum |
|
Wow!! This comes as a complete suprise! Lynn, my best to you in the
future. I'm sure our paths will continue to cross, and I look forward to seeing you at
upcoming pen shows. Lynn, thanks so much for your tremendous work on PenLovers, it has
been a real boon to pen collectors world wide. And thank you for allowing me to advertise
my catalogues on your site. Many sales were the result of your kindness and publicity.
Good luck always and thanks again! Jon R |
| Mont Blanc |
| |
5/31/100: RON |
|
Hi everybody Perhaps someone can help me. I am looking to buy 200 Mont
Blanc Pen and pencils at a very good price. anybody knows where i could get some. I am
from Canada and the most expansive I could pay is 118.00 Canadian. Help Please Thank you
everybody |
| Hats Off and Hats On! |
| |
5/31/100: Michael Pantano |
|
Hats Off to Lynn for his absolutely fantastic job with Penlovers. I echo
what was said before about this being **the** place for pen afficianados to meet and share
information online. And Hats On for Dean as he moves Penlovers higher and faster. Lynn, my
very best to you in the future. And thank you! ~~Michael |
| Parker Penman Sapphire Blue Ink |
| |
5/16/100: Glenn Costa |
|
Does anybody know where one can still purchase Parker Penman Sapphire
Blue Ink? Thanks, Glenn |
| Missing Repro catalogue sample pages |
| |
5/16/100: Jon Rosenbaum |
|
Yikes! The mind is going! Last week I posted a message featuring my new
reproduction catalogues- Conklin 1923 and Conklin 1927. I indicated that sample pages of
the catalogues could be found at http://members.aol.com/jonr529/conkct23.jpg and
conkct27.jpg. Well, it was brought to my attention that these files did not exist. That is
correct! I forgot to upload them. They're up now. Each catalogue is $27 postpaid. See my
earlier post for details and descriptions. Sorry! Jon R |
| Lever bar in Dorics |
| |
5/16/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
This is explained and fully illustrated in Da Book. Basically the lever
has two prongs that engage edge tracks present on the pressure bar. Its rather easy to
line up the prongs with the bar tracks using long nose pliers and slide down the barrel.
The bar is suspended and held in place by the lever bar prongs. Frank |
| Meeting |
| |
5/16/100: Lee Chait |
|
The next meeting of the Southeast Pen Collectors' Club is Sunday, June 4
at 2pm. Total Office Products in Smyrna at 2740 Cumberland Blvd. 770-434-8677. |
| Eversharp Doric: Help me! |
| |
5/16/100: Roberto |
|
I have a Eversharp Doric. The lever on the body doesn't go down
completely, I think because I don't know how to insert the small piece who presses the
bladder. Can anybody help me? thanks |
| Parker Spanish Treasure pen |
| |
5/15/100: Judy Lawrence |
|
Hi. Has anyone seen or had a Parker Spanish Treasure pen in the box
lately? What is the going rate? Thanks to anyone that responds. Judy |
| Converter |
| |
5/15/100: Lynn Brant |
|
The pen Gail describes came with a converter to fill it from a bottle. A
converter is nothing but a refillable form of cartridge. If you turn the knob on the end
it raises and lowers a piston. Insert the converter in place of the cartridge. Turn the
piston down to expel all the air. Then submerge the pen's nib in ink and slowly raise the
piston. About half way up, lower it again to get rid of air bubbles. Then raise it the
whole way to fill with ink. Wipe the excess off the nib and that's it. |
| Vintage Pelikans |
| |
5/15/100: DeanTweeddale |
|
I have seen many and collected a few Vintage Pelikan from the various
online auctions. You can do well there sometimes but not all the time. Prices on the
online auctions are sometimes inflated and quality is not always as it seems or as stated.
Exerting caution is important and communicating with the seller is a must. First thing I
ask about, is their return policy, if I'm not satisfied with the purchase. However as many
on this board will agree there is a better way. Get to a pen show!! I just returned from
the Chicago Pen Show Where there were hundreds of vintage Pelikan's. One seller had a
whole table of them though some of his were modern. This will get you the best examples at
maybe not the best price but at decent prices. Plus you will be able to see several
examples of the same pen and select the one's you want to add to your collection. The
larger shows will draw international dealers/collectors who may bring some Pelikan’s
that you didn't even know existed. Dean |
| Jewels and stains. |
| |
5/15/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
No its not standard for jewels to have holes in them. Sword clips are
nice finds. As for the stain, odds are its non-removable, unless its simply ink in which
case its easy to remove. But its far more likely a change in the plastic caused by the
rubber inner cap and if that is the case it can never be removed. I've explained this many
times both here and elsewhere, and far more details are in Da Book. FD |
| Parker Pens |
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5/15/100: Bill Priest |
|
forgot to finish e-mail adress: bpriest@webtv.net Sorry! Thanks. Bill |
| Parker Pens |
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5/15/100: Bill Priest |
|
I just aquired a handfull of vintage Parkers and I have a question about
one of them. It is a red herringbone Royal Challenger ( I beleive made in 1927?) and the
clip is in the shape of a broadsword. It looks like the jewel on top has a hole in it. Is
this as issued or have they been replaced? My second question is how do you get staining
out of the cap of an oversized Scheaffer Lifetime flattop in green Marble with 14k clip,
band and nib. I would like to restore it so I can use it. I appreciate any info you can
give me. I'm just getting back into Pens after a 30 year lapse when my collection of over
300 pens was lost. Thanks for your time. Bill |
| Vintage Pelikans |
| |
5/14/100: Rick
Engel |
|
So far I have only been collecting new pens, but I am now interested in
learning about and collecting vintage Pelikans. I would appreciate any advice all of you
can offer as to how to collect information and where to turn to collect prices and
pictures to learn more about the market. If anyone has personal experience with vintage
Pelikan dealers and can recommend someone to deal with I would also appreciate that info.
Thanks everyone. |
| Waterman fountain pen |
| |
5/14/100: Gail Connors |
|
I received a waterman fountain pen for Mother's Day. It has a screw cap
and came with a filled cartridge and another device that looks like a small synringe/pump.
I can't figure out how to fill the pen with the ink. Can anyone help me? |
| Pen Finds |
| |
5/13/100: Dayne |
|
Good morning. Just returned from vacation - found a wonderful Conklin
Crescent S5 Mottled - Slip cap with early feed. Crescent is the early nickle plated with
no imprint. Pen itself has great imprints and in very nice condition. Have not seen one
that large before. A nice addition to my Conklin collection. |
| Private Reserve Ink |
| |
5/12/100: S. Schube |
|
PRIVATE RESERVE INK has a new website check us out at
www.privatereserveink.com |
| Another low cost vintage option |
| |
5/12/100: Eric Hyman |
|
I think that Lynn's suggestions are excellent and I would like to add
another manufacturer of vintage pens to her list. As a new collector also on a budget, I
have enjoyed collecting Eagle/Epenco pens. There are a large number of designs and some
really great vivid colors. I have 12 Eagles/Epenco pens all of which cost between $12.00
and $40.00. I especially like the flat top Eagles with brass ends and fancy bands. I have
found that these pens are very simmilar in color and design to the Waterman Patricians. I
am curious about other collectors opinions on Eagles. |
| New Collector |
| |
5/12/100: Lynn Brant |
|
There's an old saying, "Two is an accident, three is a
collection." I've never had anyone ask what would be a good first pen, usually there
is a random accumulation then the new collector wants to know how to develop some focus in
the collection. But, asking this question at the outset puts you way ahead! Given the
modest budget, I would suggest focusing in on a line of pens that are still available
cheap but have great interest. You may find yourself getting in on the bottom floor this
way. While Esterbrooks have gone up quite a bit, they are still relatively low cost. Frank
will no doubt have something to add on Wearevers. You don't have to focus a collection
around a brand name, you could start a collection of low cost combos for example. Moving
upscale a bit, pens from some secondary pen companies that are very high quality are
undervalued in the market, IMO. Examples are Moore, Gold Bond and even economy lines from
major makers such as Wahl's Oxford, Conklin's All-American and even Parker's Parkette.
No-one can tell you where to start. Doubtless you will shift gears several times but
that's part of the fun. Go with what appeals to you and interests you. Learn as much as
you can, go to a show, and look for pens that are complete, correct and in good condition.
And don't be afraid to ask for help. Others chime in please. Lynn |
| Beginner Collector |
| |
5/12/100: Christopher
Cafferky |
|
I'm a beginning collector of vintage fountain pens. What would be a good
pen to start my collecting with...assuming a modest budget. |
| US gov skilcraft pens |
| |
5/11/100: jen |
|
When I was a kid I loved U.S. Government pens that my father used in the
military. I believe they had printed "skilcraft" on the clip. Does anyone have
info regarding the purchase of these pens from skilcraft (possibly in bulk). I'm not a pen
enthusiast, but I am a desperate left hander looking for the perfect everyday pen (that
does not smudge-thanks!:) |
| blow pens |
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5/11/100: Kiki |
|
my kid wants "blow pens", which were advertised on TV. Does
anyone know how to order some? |
| Parker Centennial Duofold P&B for sale |
| |
5/10/100: Bill Riepl |
|
I have a nice Parker Duofold Centennial sized Pearl and Black for sale.
Fine nib. It's in used but very good condition. I frankly love this pen, it's gorgeous,
but I have the chance to buy another pen, one I will likely use a LOT more often, so this
guy was chosen for the sacrifice to the gods of necessity...... $200 including shipping |
| More New Repro Catalogues! |
| |
5/10/100: Jon Rosenbaum |
|
Finally catching my breath after the Chicago Show. Great fun and I
enjoyed meeting many of my pen friends! At the Show I introduced my latest reproductions:
1923 "Conklin Catalogue & Sales Plan," produced for the opening of school
and Xmas, it includeds RED, BCHR pens in lever and crescent fill style, metal pens and
pencils as well as sets. Eighteen full-color pages, including color repro of the cover.
Price $27 delivered. Sample page at http://members.aol.com/jonr529/conkct23.jpg . 1927-8
Conklin, featuring the ENDURA line, including verd, sapphire, etc. Also included are other
colored pens, as well as black chased plastic, metal pens & pencils, sets, etc. 19
full color pages and the repro cover. Price $27 delivered. Sample:
http://members.aol.com/jonr529/conkct27.jpg. Also, still have a small number of the 1925
Waterman @ $120 delivered (Wat25cat.jpg). This 102 page monster was enthusiastically
received in Chicago, as were the Conklins. We have plenty of the Conklins, but only a few
of the Watermans. Don't be disappointed. Email for delivery instructions. Thanks for your
support! Jon R |
| coffee table books |
| |
5/10/100: Len |
|
I found one in Barnes and Noble: Fountain Pens by Jonathan Steinberg.
ISBN 1-56138-221-3. Enjoy, Len |
| Chicago Show |
| |
5/10/100: Dean Tweeddale |
|
I'm finally recovering from the weekend at the Chicago pen show. I was
able to get there for Saturday and Sunday. Many great dealers were there both for vintage
and modern pens. In vintage pens I came home with a near mint Parker 61 Flighter with a
smooth broad nib, a Parker 65 Flighter in mint condition, a beautiful T-1, and Frank D.
help me fix up a Parker 45 Flighter by selling me another 45 Flighter that had the parts I
needed. Yes, I do like the Flighter's, could you tell? A good thing to keep in mind, if
you need parts for certain pen, is to find a cheap pen at the show, that has the necessary
part you need. Lots of times this is less expensive than buying the parts by themselves.
Also in a trade deal I got a gorgeous burgundy striped Vac, two striped jewels, lockdown
filler, completely restored absolutely beautiful. I bought two new pens the first is the
new Delta Y2K in black carbon fiber. I couldn't resist the carbon fiber, it writes
wonderfully, and besides kinda goes along with my line of work, computer and Internet
consulting. I also bought one of the new casein Conway Stewart's I think the color is
called Tiffany. Although a bit pricey, the colors on this pen are incredible and it's a
very smooth easy writer with great ink flow. The best part of the show was of course
seeing, meeting, and talking with all the other and collectors and dealers at the show.
It's hard to comprehend all of the information and knowledge exchanged at a show.
Bottom-line, a fun time had by me, and hopefully by all who attended. |
| Pens For Sale |
| |
5/10/100: Marv K |
|
I am selling the following pens: ST Dupont Black Lacquer Gold Trim Medium
Olympio FTN pen with fine nib. Lightly used in mint condition in original box with papers
$250. Mont Blanc 146 ftn pen with fine nib. Used very little in excellent condition in
original box. $145. Caran D'Ache hexagonal bicolor (gold/stainless)bp pen. Mint condition
in original box $175. |
| Coffee Table Books |
| |
5/10/100: Bill
Stevens |
|
Lynn, check http://www.pendemonium.com/ |
| FPH Kudos |
| |
5/9/100: Will Thorpe |
|
Lots of posts about dealers policies etc. My story: Bought a Delta from
Fountain Pen Hospital, two weeks ago, with the Cap engraved in script. First Letter was to
be a K but it clearly looked like an H. Sent it back straight away. FPH called me
immediately and said, "yep, it looks like an H and a new one is being engraved and
sent right away". And it was, by UPS air. Good service, quick service. |
| coffee table book on collectible pens |
| |
5/9/100: Lynn |
|
Does anyone know of a nice book to buy for a pen enthusiast? I would like
something with color pages. I have searched Barnes and Noble but cannot find anything.
kindly advise |
| Titanium |
| |
5/9/100: Steve |
|
Hi, titanium is a very interesting metal, I did have a watch made out of
this, and I was told by a jeweler to use a kitchen pot scrubber to remove scratches, one
of the plain green plasic scrubbers with no abrasive soap. It worked, I wouldnt recommend
anyone else try this, but it worked for me. Just did it very gingerly. |
| Calling Dale Tweeddale |
| |
5/9/100: Lynn Brant |
|
Lost your card and can't get your number from directory assistance. Call
or email. PS I've always allowed posts like this to remain for a few days when it is
between penlovers. |
| Carbon Fiber Pens |
| |
5/9/100: Skip Williams |
|
I've got a Dunhill AD200 CF pen, and it's a GREAT pen. Yes, it
accumulates its share of scratches. No, it's not immune to getting damaged by dropping. I
don't mean to sound condescending, but just don't drop it. If you're THAT worried, you
should use a BIC or something that has virtually no chance of being hurt by being dropped.
And NO, it does not look cheap, even after 2.5yrs of semi-regular use. And it always gets
the "now that's a neat pen, can I see it?" comments from people. As far as
titanium goes, don't expect them not to get scratched. ALL pens scratch. The only thing
that I have that DOES NOT scratch is my Rado watch with a carbide band. I've had mine for
12 years with almost daily wear, and there are NO scratches on it. It's extremely hard. |
| Perm ink |
| |
5/9/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
I have never said anything about not using perm inks, nor is there any
such thing as a true perm ink for fountain pens. Obviously some dyes are stronger, more
fade resistant or simply more dye can be added to the water. Perm inks are fine for any
pen if they remain weaker vs stronger in color intensity and should not act much different
from washable inks. Problems are caused only by high or strong dye content, and that by
itself is the problem. Obviously Quink/Skrip have sold perm inks for over 75 years and
these are/were as safe as any ink ever made. These are really only slightly more perm than
washable inks on paper. Plus slightly more fade resistant. As for ANY ink--its basic very
simple common sense, the deeper/stronger the color, the more likely clog or stains, the
weaker the lesser problems. As usual details in Da Book. Frank |
| Parker 51 repair |
| |
5/9/100: Barry Landfield |
|
Hi, I have a maroon Parker 51 from the late 60's. The cap is brushed
stainless steel with a satin finish. The barrel is broken and I need a replacement. Can
anyone help? With regards, Barry Landfield |
| Levenger's Ink |
| |
5/9/100: Bill Wieder |
|
Has anyone had any adverse experience with Levenger ink? My reason for
asking is that they advertise their Cobalt Black ink as being more permanent than other
ink colors in their line which they say are more washable. As Frank has told us before to
be weary of using any permanent ink in a fountain pen since it is likly to clog the pen, I
had reservations about using the Levenger ink (which coincidentally or not looks a lot
like Penman Ink in terms of its density and packaging). |
| Houston Pen Show |
| |
5/9/100: Christy |
|
When and where is the Houston Pen Show? |
| Chicago |
| |
5/8/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
Hats off to Don, Dan and Mike for the Chicago show. I'm still dead tired.
I'm sure that applies more so to the sponsors. Running any pen show is not easy, but to
run one so large with so few problems is amazing. At the last momment I was tapped to help
Don give the seminar for beginner's Saturday morning. Quite enjoyable helping to explain
some basics of pen shopping at shows to the newbies and answer their questions. Most of
all--Chicago was fun. Great pens, some great deals, and great friends, new and old. Thanks
again to all involved in running so large a show so very well. Next stop Houston. Saddle
up! Frank |
| Storage |
| |
5/8/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
Air tight means air tight. Not in a small plastic tube such as a cigar
holder sealed with a stopper. A zippered case allows much air in and out. But for very
long term storgae these cases are bad. The bands apply pressure that over many years could
warp a barrel. I've also seen pens where a darkened band was caused by contact with the
elestic (rubber fumes) band after years of storage. The problem is usually fumes from
sulfur or other gases. Most inner caps/sections/feeds are made from high sulfur rubber.
Stored air tight these can cause color problems. Sacs are a greater worry. All this
information is in Da Book in more detail. By now a 75 yr old pen hopefully has released
most of the original gasses. Before someone asks why some pens survived so well, that
should be obvious. Stored perhaps cap off, not in a tightly closed box, etc, vs stored cap
screwed on tight That dark ring in cap may not be ink--its sometimes caused by gas fumes
from the inner cap/section. Frank |
| Quink and Solv-X |
| |
5/8/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
I've explained many times on Alt.pens that Solv-X was simply what Perker
called its wetting agent. No fountain pen ink can work without wetting agent. Thats simply
a drop of water softener or dertergent literally to buckets of ink. So its not too much of
a stretch to say any ink's wetting agent "cleans as it writes." Parker, BTW, I
have been told used standard ALL liquid dertergent, a tiny drop to couple gallons or so of
ink. Thats Solv-X, at least when it Quink was US made. Parker simply used the wetting
agent as a advertisment, which while correct, was nothing much diffferent from any ink,
then or now. Frank |
| Solv-X |
| |
5/8/100: John
Cutcher |
|
Interesting to read Frank's comments about solvents. Bottles of Quink
used to say that they contained "Solv-x" which was supposed to clean your pen as
you wrote. I must say I never understood that. I take it Parker has abandoned all such
claims for the current Quink. Was Solv-X ever anything more than just advertising patter? |
| goldfilled 1937 Eversharp fountainpen |
| |
5/8/100: Marius
Santhagens |
|
I have a.m. fountainpen inhereted from my grandfather, who used it a
great part of his life. When I got the pen it never functioned again; it leakes ink,
because the synthetic part where one holds the pen when writing is broken (it has a
burst). I am looking for someone who can restore this pen for me. As it is an american pen
I hope to find someone in the US who can repair it. Please help me with suggestions.
Marius. |
| Chicago Show |
| |
5/8/100: Lynn Brant |
|
The show was another good one, but maybe not as much public gate as last
year. Always good to have folks come up and introduce themselves and compliment PenLovers.
I talked to a number of people at their first pen show and all agreed that while the
internet may be an advantage, there is no substitute for going to a show. I have a very
nice brown stripe Skyline Executive available at a great price. Email me if interested. |
| air tight |
| |
5/8/100: Lynn Brant |
|
I know I've heard this before but, why should pens be stored in a non
airtight place? And, how non airtight? Is a zipper pencase airtight? What closes up but is
suitably non airtight? I have some pens in those plastic tubes that screw together. I'm
pretty sure they are quite airtight. How about drawers in a wood cabinet? |
| Penman Ink |
| |
5/8/100: Bill
Stevens |
|
Anne Marie at InkPalette.com may still have some black Penman. |
| Pen Storage |
| |
5/8/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
All color problems and storage suggestions on pens like this are fully
covered in Da Book. Basically do not keep sacs in the pen when they are not being used
long term and store in a dark non-air tight area. See Discoloration and Long term Storage
chapters for more details. FD |
| Penman ink |
| |
5/8/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
Penman is no more. Unless you can find some old stock. Virtually no
fountain pen ink contains any solvents, unless you count water and/or wetting agent as a
solvent, in which case all contain solvents. There is no difference in penman vs any other
ink except higher dye contant which caused far too many clog and stain problems and that
is the main reason it has been dropped. Your information on solvents in ink is 100%
incorrect. Frank |
| Parker Ink |
| |
5/8/100: Jim Smith |
|
I have used Parker Penman ebony writing ink for years ( #7140230711)
because it writes smooth, is the darkest black, and most importantly, because it contains
no solvents. Now my supplier tells me it is no longer available anywhere. I have had no
luck at all contacting Parker about this. Anyone here have any ideas? |
| Black & pearl pens |
| |
5/8/100: Greg Miller |
|
I'd appreciate any comments on storage and preservation of old black
& pearl pens. I have a nice large Sheaffer set (long balance) that I bought a few
years ago. Sac is/was out, and I've done nothing to it other than keep it in a dry place
inside an old Sheaffer box I had. Took it out this AM and it seems to have deteriorated
some -- parts that were pearly are turning brown. I realize that this may be inevitable as
this plastic ages, but are there some optimum storage conditions that I've missed? Greg
Miller |
| Carbon Fiber Pens |
| |
5/8/100: Kenneth |
|
I've always been partial to metal ballpens...that's why I'm looking for a
titanium pen. However, I'm not against the new space age pens. Are carbon fiber pens okay?
How do they wear? Do they accumulate scratches and gouges like plastic pens? Do they end
up looking like cheap Bic pens after a couple of years? Are they strong enough to
withstand abuse, like dropping out of shirt pockets? Finally, which carbon fiber pens
would you recommend? |
| Waterman Panta BP Refills |
| |
5/8/100: Michael AuYeung |
|
Amy Lane carries them.
http://www.shopvacaville.com/prices.htm#anchor73925 , under "Ball Point Refills -
Panta Bille". |
| miniatures |
| |
5/7/100: Don Anderson |
|
I'm looking for other collectors of miniature pens. I would like to
compare notes on what is out there and what to look for. I have around 90 of these little
gems now and I'm always looking for something different. I'm in need of a base for a Wahl
Bantam desk pen in green. Any interest out there. |
| www.inkblotter.com |
| |
5/7/100: Debby Parkhurst |
|
During the month of May we are offering 50% off our "Pocket
Size" ink blotters. Come check us out! |
| Dremel and other pen repair tools..... |
| |
5/7/100: Andrew J. Gnoza,
III |
|
This site has a large selection ( discounted ) of Dremel brand and
generic no name parts and accessories. Other small tools that are handy for pen repairs
are also offered. No interest in the company other than being a satisfied
customer_____http://www.widgetsupply.com/ |
| Pelikan M 1000 |
| |
5/7/100: Sonny |
|
For Sale: Pelikan M 1000 Green stripe w/Med. 18kt. point. In excellent
condition and includes box and cards. Requesting a reasonable offer. |
| For Sale: Waterman #54 Red Ripple |
| |
5/7/100: Jeffrey Tauth |
|
Hard to find #54 in NM++ condition. Great looking high gloss finish with
great red ripple pattern. Correct Waterman Ideal nib in fine point. Fully restored and
working. New sac. The pen finish has been buffed to the original high gloss finish with no
scratches, cracks, or teethmarks. Will email pics. 250$ |
| For Sale: Conklin Sr Endura - Lapis Blue |
| |
5/7/100: Jeffrey Tauth |
|
Conklin Sr Endura Lapis Blue-NM++. This color is spectacular!! I would
say 90%. The blue is bright and the red is still in the indented ringed sections. The nib
is the correct huge Conklin nib in fine. This pen is a great writer. Fully restored. New
sac. The pen finish has been buffed to the original high gloss finish with no scratches,
cracks, or teethmarks. $500 |
| FS: Visconti Richelieu/Versailles LE Set |
| |
5/7/100: Alan Bedrick |
|
For Sale...a matched set (both # 156) out of only 356 made in each color.
The FPs are iridescent opalescent red and blue acrylcelluloid with inlaid sterling silver
filigree in the barrel. Each has F point nib. Both pens are complete with all
exterior/interior packaging, documentation, etc. The blue pen has 3 sapphires (two in the
clip; one as a cap tassie); the red pen has 3 rubies. All trim is sterling silver,
including clips that have been handworked, and not machine punched. Cartridge filler.
Retail price is $1500 for the pair - I would like just $800 for them - that will include
all shipping/insurance costs. Picture at: http://members.aol.com/docrock143/RV.JPEG Don't
make me put them on ebay!! Best, Alan |
| Duofold Question |
| |
5/7/100: Will Thorpe |
|
Found Black Chased (Vertical lines on body and cap) hard rubber Duofold.
Nib marked Parker Lucky Curve 2, body marked Lucky Curve. Metal button under blind cap.
Single band, appears to be about 1926-1928, sac and pressure bar shot. Chased lines crisp,
some brassing, end caps crisp, imprint weak. Dealer wants $65, is this a good deal, about
right, is this a pretty common Duofold? |
| Kenneth's problem |
| |
5/7/100: Kristi |
|
Have you tried a carbon fiber pen? Quite a number of those available
these days and perhaps they will last for you. |
| Titanium Ballpen |
| |
5/7/100: Kenneth |
|
I have very acidic sweat and have ruined the finish of gold, silver and
chrome Cross pens as well as gold, silver and gunmetal Parkers after less than a year of
use. The only pen which survives is a stainless steel Parker pen, though the clip (which
is not stainless) finish is chipped. I've read that titanium is quite resistant, and am
looking for a solid titanium ballpen. I'm not interested in titanium-plated pens like the
Fisher bullet pen and the Cross Townsend. Are the McLaren, Sensa Metal Titanium, and Lamy
Persona ballpens solid titanium? What refills do they use, and which is easiest to use?
Thanks in advance for any comments or insights. |
| Pencil Leads |
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5/7/100: Michael P. Clague |
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I need to find a source for the large leads that were used in the old
victorian and early 1900's marking pencils. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Michael |
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5/7/100: Michael P. Clague |
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I need to find a source for the large leads that were used in the old
victorian and early 1900's marking pencils. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Michael |
| old fountain pen |
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5/6/100: Michael |
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I have found an old fountain pen that belonged to my great grandmother.
It seems to have an ivory handle about 4 inches long which when turned to the light on one
side shines like mother of pearl. The only writing that I can read is on the nib? and
starting on the top says SPENCER and something else, then it says IVISON PHINNE, and then
NEW YOR something, and then ENGLAND. Can anyone give me some info about this pen? Thanks
much, Michael |
| waterman ballpoint |
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5/6/100: debbie reid |
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looking for place to order refill for my pen, name on refill is
"panta". anyone know? |
| 51 Jewles |
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5/6/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
Its possible a nice cap could cost you as much as an entire pen. As for
jewels there is no color problem, most were pearl color, except alloy nib 51 specials were
black. The latter were almost always with shiny smooth chrome caps. Frank |
| Parker caps |
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5/6/100: james chunn |
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Hello. I know next to nothing about Parker pens but have recently been
given a Parker 51 Aerometric - sans cap. It is in otherwise great condition and I am
considering making it whole. My question is "is there a correlation between barrel
color and jewel color?" Mine is dark brown or burgandy.TIA james |
| Pen repair tools, supplies, parts for sale |
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5/6/100: Curt
Dubanevich |
|
"micro fine" assorted polishing pack for nib smoothing, knock
out blocks, small hand tools, Sheaffer O-rings and sacs, also some parts. e mail your
needs/requests. ALSO a couple Seaffer PFM's for sale. thanx |
| unused pens |
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5/6/100: D. Eker |
|
This came to my mind after I read the toy trains and pens in their sealed
boxes. It was mint pens Then uninked Then no ink ever touched the pen Then No hands ever
touched it Then in the original sealed box Then No hands ever touched the original box
Then no eyes ever gazed at the original sealed box Then "O.K. (yo say to the
retailer) I'll buy the big carton full of untouched pen boxes Then "I'll buy the
warehouse full of untouched.... Then"I'll buy the pen factory even before it produced
the unknown pen so that no worker ever touched it!!!!! |
| Reproduction 1930's Waterman's Sales Brochure available
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5/6/100: Markus |
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Hi, We've come across a 1930's color Waterman's Brochure. Approximately 6
1/4 x 14 inches Color, with info and pricing on Patricians, Lady Patricians, No. 5's,
32v's, 92's, and 94's, as well as desksets, and the full assortment of Waterman's color #7
nibs. Contact me and I'll send you a link to the scans. Thanks Markus |
| Tibaldi "Trasparente" FP |
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5/6/100: Gerry Cruise |
|
Tibaldi Trasparente LE fountain pen, piston filler, 18k med. gold nib, 3
solid 18k gold cap bands, blue celluloid w/ transparent ink-view area just above section,
MIB....$500.00 |
| Rotring 600 - Demise of a Great Product |
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5/5/100: Mike Renz |
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HelP! Rotring has dropped the 600 series - as a geologist who works in
the bush - this pen is a field classic - Levenger of Florida does sell the 600's still,
but they insist on stamping their $%%#! name on the things.. ick!.. its like a tattoo on a
pretty woman or a buying a new BMW only to have "BOB'S CAR LOT" stamped on the
bumper.. Please see the LEVENGER internet site and post them a note saying how dumb it is
to deface these classics.. also, I would love to know of any place that still sells the
old 600's - For us who live and work in harsh field conditions, this pen is a vital tool..
Thanks Mike |
| mechanical pencils |
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5/5/100: rob |
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i am looking for a selection of mechanical pencils sized .9mm or 1 mm,
please email me if anyone can help. |
| Mont Blanc Roller Ball Refills |
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5/5/100: Donald R. Brusen |
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Does anyone know where I can get good quality refills that will fit my
Mont Blanc Rollerball? The originals units last only a day or two before they skip and the
generics I've tried last only a few days. I've used super cheep pens that write perfectly
everytime but I can't find a refill to do the same. |
| re: trade/sell |
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5/5/100: Waco Johnny D |
|
(Forehead slap) and OF COURSE don't forget to get a copy of Frank
Dubiel's guide to FP restoration. Send him mail at FDubiel@aol.com to get the details. |
| re: trade/sell |
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5/5/100: Waco Johnny D |
|
http://www.pencentral.com/pensac.htm is where you'll find info on
replacement pen sacs. Parts? All over the place. http://www.vintagepens.com/resources.htm
would be a good place to begin your search. Hope this helps,
WJD |
| FS: Camelot by Visconti for US$580 only!! |
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5/5/100: Chris Leung |
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Brand new in box, never ink, limited edition camelot by visconti for
US$580 inclusive of shipping/insurance cost |
| FS Golden Phoenix, Golden Dynasty, Hunting |
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5/5/100: Chris Leung |
|
All of the following pens are never inked before: Price inclusive of
shipping/insurance cost: Golden Phoenix US$1,800 Golden Dynasty US$4,000 Hunting US$800 |
| trade/sell |
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5/4/100: tom price |
|
First- where may I find replacement bladders, parts and infomation on
replacing parts for older pens? second I have a montegrappa zodiac tiger -mint -papers
etc. for sale "cheap" as I got carried away and bought things I didn't really
have interest in as a new person to collecting with more "zeal than sense"! I'm
interested in possible trades for anything makie-e and/or pens having dragon basis. I also
have a parker snake, namiki panda and bexely cigar pens I'm willing to barter on. thanks
tom |
| Celluloid Kaweco Limited Edition |
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5/4/100: Sam Blakney |
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Has anyone looked at, inked or purchased the limited edition Green
Celluloid Kaweco ? If so, or not, what are your opinions ? |
| Time Capsule |
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5/4/100: Tony Skirrow |
|
Another lurker breaks cover. The mint versus used issue seems to have got
everyone going. Lynn likened the sealed box to a time capsule. A couple of weeks ago I
found my first Pearl Vac in a flea market. Only a Deb. but for £10 ($16)still exciting
for me. After cleaning I noticed what looked like a name scratched into the barrel. On
closer inspection with a hand lens the scratches turned out to be mathmatical formulae. I
had found evidence of exam cheating. Now that's history! |
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5/4/100: Dee |
|
Hello everyone here is some information on a new virus out there. Here
are some specifics. #1 Its in the US everywhere. #2 Symantec has a definition, good luck
getting through to the site. #3 It has effected so far, Outlook, Notes, and cc:Mail 8.2
MAPI and cc:Mail 8.5 client. #4 It is a VB App. #5 If you don't let the attachment
execute, it can be contained. So we need to let folks know they need the latest virus
definitions, and that they need to educate the user community about the specific subject
line to delete without opening. See the site below for details.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000504/wr/tech_virus.html
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter Symantec Platinum Support Bulletin There is a mass
breakout of a new worm, which the Symantec AntiVirus Research Center is currently calling
VBS.LoveLetter.A. It was discovered a few hours ago in Europe, and has already hit several
large European Corporations. It is likely to hit the US quickly. Symantec European tech
support has already received many calls from corporations ht by this new virus and SARC
believes it could be as bad as the Melissa virus that hit last year. Although SARC does
not yet have a cure for this worm, we hope by providing this preliminary information, it
will help admins make email configurations which can filter for the subject line and
attachment name. SARC is currently working on a new virus definition for this. This is
preliminary information. It is subject to change as we learn more about this virus. For
current information, please check the SARC web site: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter ***
VBS.LoveLetter.A is an email worm, mIRC worm, and file infector. Threat Assessment: High
Payload: Large scale e-mailing: All the addresses in Microsoft Outlook address book
Degrades performance: May clog mail servers Distribution: email Subject of e-mail:
ILOVEYOU Name of attachment: LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs Size of attachment: 10307 SARC
recommends Administrators filter on the attachment name And Subject line immediately.
Technical description: This is a preliminary writeup. The information contained within is
to provide as much information as possible at this time, and is VBS.LoveLetter.A is an
email worm, mIRC worm, and a file infector. VBS.LoveLetter.A will use Microsoft Outlook
and email itself out as an attachment with the above subject line and attachment name. The
body of the message will be kindly check the attached LOVELETTER coming from me. The virus
will also infect files with the following extensions: vbs, vbe, js, jse, css, wsh, sct,
hta, jpg, jpeg, mp3, and mp2 The virus will drop the following files: MSKernel32.vbs in
the Windows System directory Win32DLL.vbs in the Windows directory LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.
TXT.vbs in the Windows System WinFAT32.EXE in the Internet download directory script.ini
in the mIRC directory SARC recommends Administrators filter on the attachment name And
Subject line immediately. Removal: Delete found infected files. |
| DISTRUCTIVE VIRUS |
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5/4/100: Fred Krinke |
|
If you check out www.cnn.com, the lead story is about a distructive
virus. This is not a hoax, Fred Krinke |
| What an interesting conversation! |
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5/4/100: Dee |
|
How wonderful! What a diverse group of folks! Just to be clear my
statements where about my own preferences. Frank was right when he said "One person's
obsession with perfection seems absurd to others. Its part of differing goals and desires.
No one is right or wrong." I'm just struggling with why people get so obssesive over
"perfect" "untouched" things (AND LYNN YOU DON'T FALL IN THAT GROUP!).
To me it is a puzzle and I guess it always will be. A few years ago someone gave my
daughter a Barbie doll for her birthday and told me as she was ripping off the wrapping
paper. "You know it will be worth a lot of money someday if you keep it in the box
and don't open it." Yeah sure! tell that to a six year old! For me a pen, vintage or
new, is like that I want to get my fingers on it and feel what it is like to write with.
Anyway I've enjoyed this thread of conversation, this is just what bullentin boards are
for! Dee |
| Chicago Show |
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5/4/100: Lynn Brant |
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I'm off to the Chicago show later today. If you will be there look me up!
I understand all rooms at the Westin are sold out. I have a double room so if anyone needs
a place to stay call my cell phone at 614-327-7649 and leave a message. I sure hope none
of the other dealers mind if I ink up their mint pens for a little test! (joke :) |
| This thread |
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5/4/100: Lynn Brant |
|
While it is gratifying to have 20 posts in one day, I wish it didn't have
to be sparked by what seems to border on controversy. The subject started with a store's
refund and exchange obligations but then got into who is right and who is wrong about
matters that are entirely personal preferences. I'm slightly offended, much more amused,
to be told that my preference for mint vintage pens is a wrong-headed attitude and one
that has "gotten out of hand." Let's all get together with a few cases of Miller
Lite and fight about tastes great.... less filling, shall we? Who in the world has any
business telling anyone else that they are right or wrong for having or not having an
appreciation for historical artifacts that are pristine and unspoiled? I want to believe
that generations from now people will be able to see perfect specimens of pens from the
golden age, and I intend to do what I can to ensure that future by being a good stewart
over my mint pens during the relatively short time I will own them, and then to pass them
along to someone like-minded. Now if you don't share that sentiment with me that's cool,
but I really do think that sentiment, and all sentiments to the contrary should be
respected. Like I said before, diversity of preferences, pens and opinions is what brings
richness and community to this hobby. |
| Mint, dipping and stuff... |
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5/3/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
Many pens made today are pretty (pretty is debatable) sticks with little
purpose in their construction devoted to writing. Just look at some of the stranger
limited editions. Does anyone think limited edition baseball cards are ment to be packaged
with bubble gum and tossed against walls by 8 yr old kids in a game? I don't like any of
this, but that is the way some things are today. As for dipping, its true that dipping a
nib does not tell someone how a pen will really perform. With modest experience ink is not
needed to test a pen. Simply filling a pen with clean water will test everything. The
sheen the water makes on most paper as it "writes" is easily visible and will
tell the flow, the style of the nib and all most folks need to know. In literally 49 out
of 50 pens thats all that has to be done. "Tested with water only," is a common
phrase when selling a mint pen, and done properly, the water tells far more than dipping.
But remember many folks buying pens have no intention of ever using them. They couldn't
care less if a nib is firm or flex, wide or narrow. Some don't even care if a pen works at
all. To them its simply something to keep in a box or under glass. Some collectors frown
on repairs. They have a valid point. Any repair subjects the pen to risk. There is no
purpose served in taking that risk unless the pen is going to be used. To fix a pen simply
for the sake of fixing it makes little sense unless one is either learning or likes taking
risks. In some cases repairing a rare vintage pen, even if successful, could eventually
ruin its value (Sac fumes discoloring a mint color Jade pen for example--see Da Book for
details.) Some collectors care about the outside and couldn't care less about the insides.
Just more personal choice. I've learned never to repair a pen I'm keeping unless I want to
use it. Maybe I'm just curious to see how it writes--thats enough. But to simply repair
all pens for no reason other than to repair them is counter-productive. Most long term
collectors eventually learns this. Repair a pen today, never use it, and 20 yrs or so
later it may need repair once more. Nothing was served except risks to the pen. I'm really
playing "devil's advocate" on all this. I think pens should be used or at least
usable. However, I do respect and understand why others may feel different. Frank |
| Mint-in-the-box vs Vintage |
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5/3/100: Michael Pantano |
|
I guess I have to come down square on the opposite end of the spectrum
from those who choose to own mint-in-the-mechancially-applied-shrink-wrap-vacuum-seal
pens. Like many of you who've responded in this discussion, I don't mind some flaws on my
vintage pens. They reflect use, they reflect previous owner(s), they reflect a lifetime of
service. Quite some time ago, I even posted something about feeling an eerie sort of
connection with some of my pens - almost as if a former owner were smiling at me as I used
a loved possession of his (No calls for the guys in white suits, okay?) My point is that
these "flaws" are really character marks. Virtually every pen I own has been
reconditioned and is in writing trim. Notice I did not say "restored". There's
been no trim replated. Cracks have been repaired, and some of the very deepest of
scratches have been filled, but the pens, for the most part, bear the patina of their age
- a paitna they've earned through faithful service to someone else. As Lynn said, they're
a part of history. I feel they should show that history in the way they show it best -
signs of use. Don't take me wrong, however, about condition. I'm as happy as the next guy
when I find a pen in remarkable condition. But to me, this condition just means that
there's more life left in it for the person who will own it after me. .......... and maybe
I'll be one the smiling at him as he takes it out at his desk, under a single lamp bulb,
late at night, and just ..... writes ...... for the sheer pleasure of it! |
| New Pen Problems |
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5/3/100: Lynn Brant |
|
I too am amazed at the number of overly priced new pens that fail to do
well the simple task they were intended for. I may choose to not use some of my pens as
the result of some weird and foolish idiosyncracy, but I insist they all be able to do
their job. All are intact, original and functional. Anyway, a new pen that writes well
when dipped but not when filled is not unusual or surprising. Dipping is a test of the nib
alone. It doesn't test the feed (well somewhat it does) and it doesn't test the collector
the fill unit, or the connection between those two. I don't think a seller should have to
take back a pen that the buyer had buyer's remorse over. But I do think a seller is
responsible for the pen's functionality and if it is demonstrated that it is skipping and
just not doing right, it should be replaced or refunded. Don't let a seller fix one for
you, very few have a clue how to do it correctly. P.S. Everyone's attitudes about mint
pens and using them should leave off right about where their pens stop and the next guy's
pens begin. But I have to ask this question..... if mint doesn't matter, then why does
condition matter at all? Why does color matter? Why do cracks matter? Why do correct nibs
and clips matter? Those things matter to me but I'm happy to suspend that judgement,
except on pens I own or am considering owning. |
| Problems with new pens |
| |
5/3/100: Rick
Engel |
|
I'd like to raise another question, partly related to earlier discussion.
Even as a relatively new pen collector, I've had several pens that I bought new for the
purpose of using that wrote extremely well on dipping in the store but were found upon
filling to have terrible problems such as skipping. These problems were only evident after
filling and extended writing. I have sent these pens back to the manufacturers more than
once, and things improve to some degree but often not completely. Since it has happened to
me with a significant number of pens of several different brands, I wonder how prevalent
this problem is and what to do about it. The seller is not to blame and after filling,
exchanges/refunds are not possible. Nonetheless, I've found myself out a lot of money,
stuck with pens not up to the quality I thought I was getting through no fault of mine or
the seller--just the manufacturer. I have a feeling this happens a lot, and such pens, I
imagine, end up sold on e-bay, via postings on bulletin boards, or even at shows to the
nearest sap who thinks they're getting a deal too good to be true. Has anyone else
experienced this or do I just have bad luck? Thanks for the lively discussion. |
| Pretty sticks? |
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5/3/100: Bill Wieder |
|
A pen is meant to be a writing instrument,isn't it, and not just a pretty
stick? Mint,unused, it only has the potential to become a writing instrument. It becomes a
writing instrument when it merges with its user and is used in written expression. I agree
with Kristi, that there is something special about the patina of a vintage pen. It's
brassing can be viewed as a sign of its functionality and its users attachment over the
years and not just as a blemish. Is it our culture which values the young and the
beautiful which has created this mint obsession? I, for one, can't appreciate going to a
museum to look at objects which look new. I like to reflect when I look at a vintage
anything, not only on the object, but on the people I can imagine might have used the
item. In the case of a vintage pen, if it is to be preserved as a time capsule untouched,
then it misses something. We can't reflect on how it served its intended purpose and the
people it was intended to serve. Can you imagine going to the Henry Ford Museum and
looking at only mint artifacts? Couldn't you just as easily look at a reproduction because
it too could be made to look perferct but would lack the ambiance and romance of the real
item which was not only made in a time gone by, but was used and treasured by the people
who owned it. I also agree with Lynn to the extent that we have a responsibility to taking
care of vintage items which are in short supply since we are the caretakers of history to
some extent. In fact, our pens if taken care of properly might be looked upon as owning
us, rather than us owning the pen. Many vintage pens, have seen and outlived several
owners. Therefore, the vintage pen to some extent owns us and what we pay for is the
temporary period we have in this life to enjoy taking care of it, and using it if we wish
to add our patina to it. I read last night that Christi's is auctioning off a Stradivarius
violin for which they expect to get $1.5 million. I doubt that its buyer will just sit and
look at it. Unless it is used, it is just a violin. When it is being used in the right
hands, it will be a most magnificent musical instrument. |
| Another 2 cent's worth... |
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5/3/100: Don
Jacobson |
|
I find this latest thread quite interesting and I appreciate Lynn and
Frank's level-headed comments. I agree--"to each his own." And, Frank is right:
there's no use talking about it. But may I go ahead anyway? I wonder if there is some kind
of "tulip bulb" or "Pokeman card" type mania spreading here. I was
surprised to hear Frank's experience about the Sheaffer and the tape on the box. I don't
want to ridicule anyone (I have my own idiosyncracies). This box thing is getting out of
hand. What will happen twenty years from now when 3,000 Sheaffer LE pens are suddenly
unearthed, all in boxes with the tape uncut? What will they be worth? Let's use The
Sheaffer Balance LE as an example. 6,000 produced, and right off the top of my head I know
three major sellers who will sell this pen, as many as you want, for $399 or less (one is
selling for $300). I guess this doesn't fit my definition of a rare limited edition pen,
but if you want to keep yours in the box, go ahead; as Frank says, again correctly, it's
your choice. Me, I've got two of those pens and I'm having fund using them. By the way,
the best opinion I've seen on the use-don't use debate is on the Jim Gaston website
(www.jimgaston.com -- look for the "Should I use my pen?" discussion). I realize
that many will disagree, and that's what makes this country so great -- freedom! Thanks
again for this lively discussion. Don J. |
| helpfind site |
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5/3/100: JASON |
|
I cant find information on my AL1 Spacetec by Diplomat pen. |
| Another thought |
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5/3/100: Kristi |
|
I didn't wish to appear to be slamming either those who demand MIB or
warn as heck, just feel that new should mean unused. Dipping a pen is not the same as
inking it as far as I am concerned. And I cheerfully buy monogrammed pens for the interest
of wondering about the previous users. A patina of good use doesn't in the slightest
detract from the pleasure of grand old nibs; I'm a tad "brassed" myself. And I
suspect that all of us can understand the frustration of buying a dream item and
discovering it to be a nightmare. |
| Further thoughts.... |
| |
5/3/100: Ken Jones |
|
Seems like I've started quite a discussion, and I wanted to add some
additional thoughts I've had while reading yours. First of all, I feel there's nothing
wrong with being able to dip and try a pen before buying it, especially if you intend to
use it. It's your first introduction to the feel of the pen and nib. Apparently, neither
do any of the dealers I've bought pens from. They all had bottles of ink ready on the
counters just for that purpose. On the other hand, allowing a trial period, such as 30
days, could cause a nib to "break in" to a writer's style, making it
uncomfortable for anyone else, and that would be a problem with a refundable
policy....EXCEPT....with most, if not all, of the pens I have purchased (Aurora,
Montblanc, Stipula and Pelikan), the manufacturers offer free nib replacement if you are
not satisfied. Even if you've purchased a medium nib and decide you'd rather have a fine.
Under those circumstances, I see no reason for not allowing a return policy. Now, I want
to clarify what I said about Joon. I may have inadvertently given the impression that you
should avoid them, and that was not my intent at all. I would gladly purchase from them
again. They are friendly and helpful and have a great selection of pens. I would just have
to be certain about the pen and that I wanted it. Otherwise, if it was one I needed to
"try", I'd go to a dealer with a refund, exchange policy. And that's all I have
to add for now. I look forward to reading more opinions. Ken. |
| Mint |
| |
5/3/100: Lynn Brant |
|
Asking why anyone would want and pay more for a pen that had never even
been dipped reminds me of questions I get very often. Like, "why would anyone collect
anything as silly as old pens?" I guess if we're going to be odd enough to collect
old pens we may as well go for it and try to get mint ones when we can. On a more serious
note, I'll try to answer the question for me. I like vintage pens because they are part of
history. A period of history that I find interesting, and a part of the progression of
writing which I also find interesting. Bill mentioned, albeit facetiously, a time capsule.
To me a mint pen is a time capsule, a real piece of history that has survived. Most people
into antiques feel that way and I don't know any of them who don't see something special
about a piece that is truly mint. They just speak louder to those of us bitten by this
bug. I will only sell a mint vintage pen to someone I know sees it my way. This is with
vintage. I can't really speak to new pens. I buy them to use not to collect, but I
understand why those who collect them want them mint. |
| Sealed boxes??? |
| |
5/3/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
Actually its quite common for sealed boxes to be x-rayed and the photo
results displayed alongside the sealed box when sold. Anyone who has been to many toy
train shows sees this sooner or later. The "magic" of that original uncut paper
Lionel tape sealing the box cannot be denined in terms of extra value. Is this going to
the absurd? Yup, in my opinion. But I'm not buying that and if someone else wants it that
way--so be it. Most pens really never came in sealed boxes, unless one finds a full case
of Patricians. Still its different strokes for different folks. One person's obsession
with perfection seems absurd to others. Its part of differing goals and desires. No one is
right or wrong. Frank |
| We all have rights. |
| |
5/3/100: Bill Wieder |
|
I was not questioning people's right to demand a never dipped, never
filled pen. I merely was trying to understand what difference it makes to them. It really
makes no difference to me. I would wager that there are very few, if any, 1948 Tucker's
out there that have no miles on the odometer, and in spite of that, people interested in
Tuckers will buy them anyway. The same with vintage pens. When nobody was collecting pens
back in the 30's, there were very few Patricians, if any, put away in the original
unsealed box. Those wanting a Patrician from the 30's I am sure would settle for one that
had been dipped. And what happens down the road when one of these "factory sealed
boxes" containing today's pen is eventually opened.(Is the box some kind of time
capsule that we will wait 30 years to open it?). I will venture a bet, that a few of those
packages when opened, may suprisingly contain nothing. But I guess that is anyone's right
to take a chance on purchasing a box without inspecting its contents.It is anyone's right
to be stupid if they wish to be. We all have that right. |
| For some folks it is a BIG deal... |
| |
5/3/100: Frank Dubiel |
|
Its a big deal to some folks. Its THEIR right. Its not a big deal to me
or you. Talking about it is useless. Pens are not cars. Most rare vintage cars are not
owned to be used. They are collected. A car collector buying a 1948 Tucker doesnt test
drive it, in fact its probably bought without even seeing it. Most rare expensive pens are
not bought by users, they are bought to simply collect. If you agree or not--so what? It
doesn't change anything. Anyone that knows collectables should understand the meaning of
totally mint, more so if sealed in original box, and its upward effect on value. I agree
pens should be made to use, but most bought today are not bought for that reason. Finally
in some pens even a dip can really alter the pen, an example would be a mint clear shelled
51 demo. The slightest dip may leave ink nearly impossible to remove. 1950s Sheaffers may
have white paper price stickers on the section. One drop of ink on the sticker and value
goes down. Why talk about this or complain about it? Simply let others buy how they want.
They don't tell you or me how or what to buy, and you should not tell them. Last yr I had
a true mint WASheaffer LE pen, the metal lever filler. Two folks said they would buy it
for my price if I had a sealed one. The pen was mint, all papers, inner and outer box,
etc, only the paper tape had been cut on the outside box to remove the inner box and see
the pen. Silly? Probably, but it was their money to spend how they choose. Frank |
| What's the big deal? |
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5/3/100: Bill Wieder |
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Maybe somebody can explain to me the big deal about having a pen that is
so mint that it has never been dipped let alone filled. Are there structural changes that
occur within the pen by dipping or filling the pen? Does a miniscule residue of ink left
within the pen cause deterioration of the pen? I thought, in fact, the factory usually
tested most pens before shipping them. And another thing....has anybody ever taken
delivery on a new car that didn't at least have a mile or two on the odometer? I really
don't understand why people make such a fuss, then, about owning a pen that might have
been dipped or filled, providing it was cleaned out afterwards. Maybe somebody who insists
on owning a never dipped pen (gee, isn't that what pen's are for...to use), could explain
why they would never purchase anything but a never dipped pen. |
| Dee's comments |
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5/3/100: Frank Dubiel |
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Dee's comments are part of the problem. She is correct, she has every
right to try out a pen. Another collecter has every right to want a mint never dipped pen.
So Dee can shop at dealers that allow returns. The collector wanting true mint can shop
elsewhere. Its one's own choice. Many collectors will never use thier pens. Right or
wrong, agree or not that is the case. Some collectors even want pens is sealed boxes from
the factory and won't open it after buying. Absurd? I think so, but its their right. By
respecting the rights and tastes of all collectors, buyers and sellers we can get along
easier. The key is not to complain abut someone elses tastes or policies on a public
board. Its different if one gets totally ripped off, i.e a pen is not shipped or very
clearly is far from what was described. Beyond that, lets respects the rights of others to
do as they please, and not allowing a pen to be dipped and making sales final is a right
of a seller, no matter if one agrees with it or not. I'm not taking sides. I'm simply
saying everyone has rights to use, not use, buy or not buy, sell or not sell in any way
they want. Posting which you like or don't like doesn't change anything. Just try to
understand why someone may feel different than you or I may about things. Frank |
| Pens in Singapore |
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5/3/100: Michael Pantano |
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I recently had occasion to be in Singapore for a week. Naturally, I spent
my free time hunting for pens. Very near (the famous) Raffles Hotel I found several pen
dealers who dealt in a few vintage pens. The conditions were fair at best, and the prices
about what you'd expect for the same pens in the US. No bargains, but no rip-offs, either.
I ran into a fellow collector in one of the shops who told me of an old Chinese man who
dealt old pens from a small shop down in the "housing blocks" (government-owned
apartment buildings). I set out to find him. On my first attempt (in 99+ degree heat with
matching humidity) I walked more than 30 blocks each way only to find his shop closed. A
frined, who is a Singapore resident and speaks Mandarin told me that she would drive me
there the next day. And so we went, this time to find the shop open. This wonderful old
man showed me his wares, as my friend translated. Pens from all over the world, many that
I never heard of, let alone saw. However, when it came time to talk about prices, he
pulled out a worn, 4-year-old copy of FPH's sale catalogue! This, in effect, was his
starting price list! When we wound up miles apart on the price asked vs the price offered
for a Danish Maxima in red (fair condition, at best), I asked him about parts. Yes, he had
many, and yes, he sells them. After going through a ton of sections, barrels, clips, etc.
we came to the nibs. And here's where the trip all became worth while. I bought quite a
few English and American-made nibs for 51's, 61's, Vacs, and just plain Lucky Curve nibs.
The nice thing, however, is that all the ones I bought were very flexible, and usually
broad or double broad. As he explained it, that is the nib of choice for those who write
Asian characters as their native language. These nibs are marvelous, and some were NOS. I
paid the princely sum of S$30 each - about twenny bux US. Great fun, indeed! ~~Michael~~ |
| Buyers vs sellers |
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5/3/100: Frank Dubiel |
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My take on this is that there are as many more unethical buyers as
sellers. Please understand I am NOT talking about Ken or Joon. However, in general anyone
who sells many pens probably has lots of horror stories of customers making absurd
demands. Many pen sellers have folks they won't sell to again. This should not be a war
betwen sellers and buyers. Here and elsewhere we read abouy buyers who feel they were
unfairly treated. Yet, when do the sellers post their horror stories? Many sellers are
just collectors trying to finance their hobby. Larger retailers have more pen and cash
flow, but their expenses are far larger for paid hekp, storefronts, etc. Kristi is correct
in that a buyer has the right to demand a mint uninked pen, yet some buyers want to try a
pen then say "Fine, give me one that hasn't been dipped." With vintage pens many
buyers are unable to undertsand that guarantees are far shorter, or may not exist at all.
Any sellers has the right to set any sales terms they want. Any buyers has the right to
accept the terms, or shop elsewhere. In the latter case without posting public complaints,
esp of dealers by name. How would it look if a dealer said here "Don't ever sell pens
to-----, they are unfair, etc." Once again, I am not talking about Ken or Joon, but
just in general terms. Most pen sellers aren't getting very rich off a single sale. The
retailers often complained about have been around for decades. Ethics is a two way street,
and almost all sellers from the smallest to the largest have delt with unethical buyers,
and sellers almost never complain about it. In fact within the past 2 days on Alt
Collecting.pens someone is complaining about FPH in NY. The same company Ken is praising
for liberal returns. In this case FPH wouldn't take the pen back. I dont know the details.
Perhaps the problem is with the seller who made the post, not FPH. Maybe not, I don't
care. But FPH never makes such posts about its buyers. No one is perfect and there are two
sides to every story. We never hear the sellers side of things. "The customer is
always right" is a great saying, but in real life that simply is not always the case.
One final time, these are all general comments directed at no one. Simply something to
think about. Frank |
| Trying out a pen vs test driving a car? |
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5/3/100: Dee |
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I certainly will never buy a new car without first getting in it and
driving it! How else does one know if everything "fits" you correctly. Steering
wheel height, pedals, seat. When I purchased my latest truck, it had 20 or 30 miles on it,
did that make it used? Don't think so. In the same vein, I certainly wouldn't buy a pen
without trying it out. Ken stated he dipped the pen, he didn't "fill" it with
ink. I tried both my Waterman's out and a MB, and a Parker before making my purchases. I
only dipped the two pens I was most interested in, but still I got no quibills from the
sales people at Farhney's when I asked to ink the pens. A pen is very personal and one
that is uncomfortable to use is just a pretty desk ornament, sorry I like to use my pens.
Dee |
| Ken Jones et al |
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5/3/100: Kristi |
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My guess is that each of us would be very unhappy if we bought a
"new" car and discovered that the odometer had been altered. A pen should not
have been used for even a few sentences or else it too is "used' and not MIB.
Furthermore, if sellers permit the inking of pens and subsequent cleaning, the shop has
increased cost because of "labor". So we should all try to avoid Ken's
experience. And I wonder if FPH and others sell their exchanged pens as new or demos? |
| Pens for sale |
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5/2/100: Joe |
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I'm unloading the following pens (princes include shipping within
U.S.A.): 1) Montblanc MARCEL PROUST FP, med nib, factory sealed $600 2) Pelikan M800 FP,
mint old-style, your choice of nib (F,M,B), green-striped or black (no blues) $200 3) S.T.
Dupont Orpheo/Olympio Vertigo FP, new, medium size, med or fine nib, $350 |
| Ken Jones to Rick Engel |
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5/2/100: Ken Jones |
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Yes, Rick, Joon has a no refund policy and as far as exchanges, you would
have to exchange for a higher priced item. In fact, I had exchanged a Montblanc pen (about
$600) I had purchased from them for the Pelikan but there seemed to be some reluctance on
their part to do that until I mentioned that I wanted to exchange for the more expensive
Pelikan. Also, the first question I was asked when I requested an exchange was: "Did
I fill the Montblanc?" Leads me to believe that if I had they wouldn't have
exchanged. I like the people at Joon, but the no refund and strict exchange policies are
annoying. I would recommend going to the Fountain Pen Hospital instead. They have a great
policy; if you're not satisfied, for whatever reason, you can return a pen for refund or
exchange within 30 days. They give you time to "try" it out. I know....I've both
exchanged and refunded with them. Unfortunately, they didn't have the Genesis pen. Well, I
can only hope this doesn't turn out to be an expensive lesson. I think I will probably be
able to sell the Pelikan, even if I have to lower my desired price. Wish me luck. |
| Parker Frontier with Clear barrel? |
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5/2/100: Bruce Pasarow |
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At the Los Angeles Pen Show, I think I saw someone selling Parker
Frontier Fountain Pens with clear barrels. They reminded me of the demonstrator versions
of Parker FP's that were made some time ago. Does anyone know who to contact about
purchasing one or two, if such a clear Frontier pen really exists? Thanks, Bruce |
| mont blanc ltd edition |
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5/2/100: deacon |
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I'm looking to purchase the Proust ltd edition pencil only |
| re: Lynn |
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5/2/100: Rick
Engel |
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Lynn, I completely agree with you. But his post said that he did not ink
it up at home, only in the store. Assuming we have the whole story, if they considered the
pen mint when he bought it, it was just as mint when he brought it back. |
| Joons and all |
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5/2/100: Lynn Brant |
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My comment is this: You can't buy a mint, uninked pen, whether new or
vintage, and expect to take it home, ink it up, decide it just isn't you, and still get
any refund let alone the purchase price. |
| BALL POINT PEN REFILLS |
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5/2/100: ANDY CALTABIANO |
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I PURCHASED ABOUT 30 OLD RETRACTABLE ADVERTISING PENS, THE REFILLS ARE NO
LONGER WORKING. OUTER PEN BODY IS GOODMBUT REFILLS ARE OUT OF INK. LOOKING TO PURCHASE AS
MANY REFILLS AS POSSIBLE AT A FAIR PRICE. ANDY4911@AOL.COM |
| Joon and Ken Jones |
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5/2/100: Rick
Engel |
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I assume from the message that Joon would not agree to a refund or
exchange. That seems highly annoying under the circumstances described and reminds me of
earlier discussions we've had about the internet. We've mentioned that often times cheaper
prices can be found on the internet. It seems, then, that one of the main reasons to buy
directly from a store is service. I have bought from Joon before, but after this, I will
think carefully before going back. How do the dealers among you feel about this? |
| Pelikan "Genesis of the Olympiad" |
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5/2/100: Ken Jones |
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On 4/29/2000, I purchased a Pelikan "Genesis of the Olympiad"
special edition fountain pen from Joon, here in New York. Unfortunately, though a lovely
pen, after getting it home and handling it, I quickly realized it is not a comfortable pen
for me and a was very frivolous purchase...I wanted a special edition pen but made the
mistake of purchasing one I wouldn't enjoy using, and what's the sense of owning a
fountain pen you wouldn't enjoy using? I have small hands and prefer lighter, smaller pens
(I have, use and love an Aurora Primavera). So, I'm posting this to offer the Pelikan for
sale. It is Number 375 of 776 total in the world, still in its original box with its
certificate, has never been filled and was only used at Joon's when I dipped the nib in
ink to see how it wrote. Although the suggested price was $2,000, Joon offered it and I
purchased it for $1500.00. I would like to recoup all or as much of that as I can and will
sell to the best offer I receive. If you want information about and would like to see a
picture of the pen (though not a great one), go to www.pelikan.com, click on the english
flag in the upper left corner for the english version, then click on the writing
instrument link, top left, then special editions. So, if anyone is interested, please drop
me a line at kjj1@frontiernet.net. I'm hoping I hear from some of you. In the meantime,
I'll be looking into Namiki and Platinum special editions. - Ken. |
| Important News re: Pendemonium |
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5/2/100: Bill Hong |
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As many of you know, Pendemonium is in the process of moving to Ft.
Madison, Iowa. I got a phone call from Sam Fiorella today, asking that I let you folks on
Penlovers know that they are safely arrived. But, neither their phones/fax are yet hooked
up, nor has the moving van arrived! So until it does, Pendemonium won't be able to ship
their current orders. Sam hopes things can be up and running within another day or two, so
please be patient while she and Frank get things sorted. Of course, their snail mail
address is still good (P.O. Box 447, Ft. Madison, Iowa 52627), and emails should queue up
as normal. Just so you know and needn't get concerned! They still plan on being at the
Chicago Show, too. |
| Show information |
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5/1/100: Don Lavin |
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The upcoming show looks like it will be our biggest ever. Anyone deciding
to come to the show at this time should refrain from sending in a registration form and
should plan on registering at the show upon arrival. Checks that come in late are often
not deposited in time for the show and cause confusion at the registration desk. The
Schedule for the weekend has now been finalized. We have added a meeting for internetters
on Friday night at 9:00. And at 10:00 p.m. on Friday the Fountain Pen Hospital parts sell
off mania will occur on the 12th floor. Entrance to the room will be limited to avoid
overcrowding. On Saturday the 2 seminars will begin at 10:00 a.m. for assisting new
collectors and rookie show attendees followed by the ever popular pen repair seminar. May
the pen force be with you. Don |
| Parker Sonnet Flighter |
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5/1/100: Casey Sorrell |
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I am interested in trying to locate a Parker Sonnet Flighter (fine nib)
new or like new. However, I do not know what I should expect to pay. Can anyone out there
give me an idea of what a "fair" price would be for this pen? |
| Merlin |
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5/1/100: Kristi |
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I just purchased two Merlin pens from Avalon in Zionsville. I also
believe that they came from the Netherlands. They are a nice quite inexpensive pen at $40
- $50 per working unit. |
| Cap puller |
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5/1/100: J.F.
Ouellette |
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I'm willing to buy a cap puller to remove inner caps on fountain pens.
Used is fine. Contact me with price and condition. Thank you. |
| Parker 75's |
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5/1/100: Lee Chait |
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I have a large number of nos/mint in box Parker 75's including lacque;
sterling; customs in FP/ BP/RB/ Pencils. Not all items avaialble in all colors. First year
metal threaded 75's also available. High end very rare 75's also possible including
Sterling Grosse Cotes. Also T-1 BP new with sticker. Centennial Duofolds with flat bands
in maroon and round bands in black- nos. Bicentennial 75 in pewter with no number/no box.
I'll be in Chicago for the Show. All items for sale there. |
| Parker 75 |
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5/1/100: S. Meador |
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When I was in sixth grade (1969) I bought a brown Parker 75 fountain pen.
It was stolen last week. Anyone seen a replacement that is available? |
| Merlin |
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5/1/100: Lynn Brant |
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The story I've heard about Merlin is that they were French made in the
'30s and at the time of the German occupation, lots of parts were cached away and only
found about ten years ago. |
| Re: Merlin 33 |
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5/1/100: Matthew Donadio |
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The info I heard about Merlin pens is that after WW2, the pen industry in
the Netherlands was pretty much ruined. Several pen companies combined efforts and
produced parts/pens and sold them under the Merlin name. I have several of them, and all a
very interesting examples of smaller plastic pens. --Matt |
| Merlin33 |
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5/1/100: Ron Ricketts |
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Just picked up a Merlin33. New old Stock, Button filler about the size of
a esterbrook. I installed a sac but have not inked the pen. Does anyone have info as to
when,where and who made the pen. The Nib is a 14k Merlin. Looks the be a english pen but
no marking other than Merlin33 in scrip on barrel...Thanks ron |
| Pens for Sale |
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5/1/100: Marv K |
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I am selling the following pens that I have rarely used: ST. Dupont
Olympio (Orpheo) fountain pen, medium size, black lacquer with gold trim, fine nib, mint
condition, in box with original papers, $250; Caran D'Ache Hexagonal Bicolor (gold &
steel) ballpoint pen, mint condition in box, $175; Mont Blanc Meisterstuck 146 fountain
pen, black, 14K fine nib, excellent condition, in box, $150. All prices are plus shipping. |
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