| Nothing in particular | |
| 6/30/2000: Larry Shelton | |
| There's an old saying, if you can't think of anything nice to say about someone, come sit by me..... BTW did anyone happen to see the #20 red hard rubber Waterman silver filigree that was on ebay this week. #363879560 picture might still be there. Some lucky bidder got it for a measly $13860. What a pen!!! | |
| information about sheaffer pens | |
| 6/30/2000: Sam Fiorella | |
| Stephanie - I know there are a lot of Sheaffer collectors that read PenLovers. Maybe if you could narrow it down a bit as to what kind of Sheaffer info you need, we could help you out. New pens? Old pens? A particular model, perhaps? Tell us more! | |
| Pen Discussions??? | |
| 6/30/2000: Charlie Harles | |
| Dean - It's time to moderate Penlovers and get back to the subject matter - PENS!!! | |
| Mike | |
| 6/30/2000: Kristi | |
| Mike et al, I wish I had the patience Frank has shown after being asked the same questions ten zillion times. His book does cover much of what we neophytes ask...and does it well. I personally wish people would lay off the guy and read what he shared with all of us. It doesn't matter one whit whether he made a million dollars or none...the help is there for those who choose to read. So why don't we attempt to ask new questions rather than gripe. End of public commentary from me. | |
| information about sheaffer pens | |
| 6/30/2000: Stephanie Young | |
| If anyone has information about sheaffer pens please email me at stephanie1@emeraldis.com | |
| What The Heck Is Going On?!@#$% | |
| 6/30/2000: Kyle Cavanaugh | |
| I cannot believe the behavior of some of these people! It is very disappointing for me to see Lynn and Frank leave the discussion board. Here we see the perfect case of people blowing a simple issue out of their buts sideways. I also do not agree with the slanderous attacks made on Frank Dubial. He has done so much to this little pocket of pen collectors, and many people do not appreciate it. Lynn, you chose the right person to run this board. Dean has done a great job enhancing it, and I hope to see further improvements. I also do not see why anyone would be so pissed off about putting up a banner on the top of the screen. This further enhances pen lovers. OK, that’s my 2 cents; I don't want to talk about it any more. Kyle Cavanaugh | |
| Oh Please! | |
| 6/30/2000: Mike Berman | |
| I'm a new comer to pen collecting and I am absolutely astonished at the egomaniacal silliness that has debased this site these past days. What difference does it make to the opportunity to share information if there is or is not advertising on the board? Is there something immoral about advertising? Mr. Dubiel pumped his book plenty in his posts. I bought a copy of his book largely because of what I read here. Indeed, this was where I learned of the existence of his book. How does that differ from a banner ad except that Mr. Dubiel got the exposure for free? His self-righteous BS is pure hypocrisy. I suppose he is so above the physical, materialistic muck the rest of us are stuck in that he can eschew earning an honest living. Did I make a mistake paying $20 for his book? Does he give them away for free somewhere? We novice collectors come here seeking information about fountain pens, we're not on a quest for the Holy Grail. Give it a rest! Get a life! | |
| Pens not people | |
| 6/30/2000: Kristi | |
| It would be lovely if the purile purple prose writers would restrict their comments to private e-mail or create their own darn sites rather than bore the rest of us with the musings of wounded egos. | |
| M. Ratner & Company | |
| 6/30/2000: Paul | |
| Can anyone tell me about a hard rubber fountain pen manufactured by M. Ratner & Company of New York? Thanks, Paul | |
| What's new at OMAS? | |
| 6/30/2000: Len Provisor | |
| The Washingotn, D.C. Fountain pen SUPERSHOW is next for me Aug. 11-13, and I'm real curious to see what new or speculated new OMAS pens are in the works since the buyout by LVMH (Louis Vitton- as in hoity-toity luggage, Moet, as in "no change for a $100. bill" Champagne and Hennessey,as in my favorite cognac. Anyone have any news or speculation? This super luxury-goods line certainly may have some surprises with their cash-rich marketing and product line-up. It also may be assumed they "make no small plans" when they are faced "snowflake-to-rollerclip", or nib-to-nib with the Vendome Group, maker of MB, among others. Looking forward to seeing my friends in D.C....I'll be flying in on my replica model 1928 Parker Duofold airplane. ....and yes, free literature on this neat model to anyone interested, just e-mail me for pictures or, as always, free samples of advertising ink blotters. | |
| We now return to our regularly scheduled programming | |
| 6/30/2000: gary | |
| Discrete advertising is here, and it's going to stay. Can we now return to "Pen-" (the topic), and "-lovers"( the attitude) of our hobby. Speaking of which, I recently got an Esterbrook with a broad oblique nib: what a hoot! Solid pen, great nib, fun and smooth to write with, classic double jewel styling, and all for under $20. | |
| I can't beleive this carping (maybe that's the source of the smell) | |
| 6/30/2000: Michael Pantano | |
| This is a small hobby. And as the internet increases communication, it gets even smaller. How many knowledgeable collectors are there? A hundred? A thousand? How many are willing to take the time to post in response to what are often questions that have been asked and answered a hundred times before. (No, I am **not** chastising anyone who asks a question like that) Some of the now-departed were always willing to answer them. Some feathers may have gotten ruffled from the tone of some of these exchanges (its true ... some of these same posters may have been less than gentlemen at times) but the fact is that a great deal of solid pen info was on this board. Was there a hint of a clique? Yes, there was. So what? I've been collecting, studying, repairing, and enjoying fountain pens for more than 20 years. I'm in touch with many other collectors, but have never been a joiner (not a PCA member, for example). But this board (and the now moribund AOL board) were my connection to those collectors I didn't know. I can also say that these boards were a source of much new information for me. The AOL board is essentially dead now - done in by AOL's policies. And I was there, I saw it. The death knell was the leaving of the pen cogniscenti. When they went, those left were reduced to mutual speculation to the answers they sought. In that such speculation is neither fun nor productive, it was but a few weeks before there was no one there at all. I sincerely hope that Penlovers can recover. But the fact is, the truly knowledgeable who were also freely willing to post now seem to be gone. Sure, there was some self-agrandisement. But sift through it and the pen knowledge was there. Without that, there really is little else to look forward to. Is this deja vu? I sure hope not! ~Michael~ | |
| New Guidelines PLEASE! | |
| 6/30/2000: Rob | |
| The Thomas Edison statement was made on Penlovers. I did not make it. Its easy to blame another for an inability to follow instructions. I guess only way Frank could make Bill happy would be to rewrite the whole chapter just to please him. Even if Frank jumped on Bill, which I don’t believe for an instant, he didn’t post Bill’s name on the internet and tell the world about it. Bill shows serious lack of class. This website is starting to smell bad. Dean needs to establish some new guidelines--like no more back stabbing. Personal attacks are disgusting. Rob | |
| Thomas Edison of pens? | |
| 6/30/2000: Bill | |
| Give us a break....Frank, being compared to Thomas Edison. You have got to be kidding! As far as being told to shut up for expressing an opinion, I recall several occasions where Frank himself shut people up by intimidating them with his arrogant attitude. I personally was told I was the only one who didn't like something about Da Book. I told him that I could not follow his directions for replacing a diaphragm in a Parker 51, and he just about as much said the problem is me and not his book. Nobody else had a problem with it, so how could I?. My remarks were made to him privately at a Chicago pen show as constructive criticism, explaining that perhaps clearer pictures might help. Still, he jumped all over me. Even Thomas Edison, who wasn't the most patient man in the world, I believe treated others more respectfully. | |
| Frank/Lynn | |
| 6/30/2000: Rob | |
| Have we overlooked the fact that the founder of this site has also left due to the matter of the ads? Shouldn’t that be of equal or greater concern? Shall we dump on Lynn next? Frank's posts were worth more than most other posts combined. Someone remarked once having Frank post here was like having Thomas Edison in a electricity discussion. A shame to see people attack the one person who helps this hobby more than just about anyone. Lynn and Frank showed integrity and conviction. Which is sadly lacking with some of the people coming out of the woodwork now. If you can’t say anything good about someone, for heaven’s sake--shut up. Maybe this can still be a PEN discussion page. Although the heart and soul of it may be gone. Rob | |
| More on Pelikan 120 | |
| 6/30/2000: Matthew Donadio | |
| I just looked in the Pelikan book. The Pelikan 120 Mertz & Krell line was made 1973-1977. It has the following distinuguishing features: straight grip, no rim between the filler knob and barrel, and the cap edge is conical. Mine is also missing the serial number. | |
| enjoy | |
| 6/30/2000: jian sun chung | |
| plese luk at website plese | |
| please shut the door on your way out | |
| 6/30/2000: ivan weinstein | |
| Bye bye then to all those who didn't feel loved anymore. | |
| Turned off by Frank? | |
| 6/30/2000: Bill Wieder | |
| If you don't want to look at ads you don't have to. Just enter the board without the bbframe.htm suffix. Personally, I like the ads. It gives me a chance to explore different specials on pens. I think when there are a lot of ads, it forces the dealers to become more competitive in the pricing which is better for the consumer, too. Actually, I am glad Frank isn't going to be making any more comments here. His comments are generally end up becoming ads for his book. How many times do I HAVE to see his ads! At least with the other ads, I can turn them off. With Frank, I couldn't. So, I, too, am glad Frank is turning himself off. I don't think his generally self serving comments are going to be missed by too many of us. | |
| Thankful | |
| 6/30/2000: darrell | |
| I quit posting here for a while and would like to say that I think the changes here are totally appropriate to what the board is about. I come to a pen site, I expect to see ads for pen stuff. Actually I'm thankful to have the advertisers. I there had been advertising here before I would have found Pensplus a lot sooner than I did. And that would have been a good thing for me. I'm also thankful that perhaps now that certain person have left the site I can ask a question about vintage pen repair without being called the biggest idiot in a thousand years or whatever I was called. I had other questions than I wanted to ask but thought it just wasn't worth the potential abuse. I got several nice emails from people (who were also told that they were idiots by this same person) afterwards that confirmed my belief that pen related hobbying is full of really cool people. I'm looking forward to seeing what gopens, avalon, and pendemonium have to offer. For those of us who can't get to shows and aren't interested in being told what poor hobbyists we are for not going to them, such advertising serves as an incredibly valuable resource. I'm looking forward to coming back here much more often now. Thanks Dean. | |
| Pelikan 120 | |
| 6/30/2000: Matthew Donadio | |
| I think there are two ways to distinguish the 1950's Pelikan from one from the 1970's. The older ones should have a serial number on the barrel. Since they were marketed as student pens, Pelikan put a unique identifier on each for identification. I am not 100% sure about the second (though I'm a Pelikan collector, I haven't found a 1950's Pelikan 120 yet...), but I believe the capband on 1950's Pelikan 120 is flat, while the 1970's one is conical. | |
| re: alt.pens | |
| 6/30/2000: Waco Johnny D | |
| Sherman, One big piece of the Internet is called the World Wide Web. There's another huge piece of the Internet called "the Usenet" and it's comprised of hundreds of loosely-related "Usenet news servers" that update each other frequently. You can access the Usenet in one of two ways. The first way would be to use your Internet service provider's Usenet news server to access the news group, that being "alt.collecting.pens-pencils" in this case. Your ISP may or may not carry that news group, in which case you would have to request that it be added. The second way would be to use one of the several Web-based "windows into the Usenet" such as www.deja.com or www.remarq.com; think of those servers as big fat links originating from the World Wide Web and running across the Internet and into the Usenet. Once you access one of those Web-based Usenet servers, the menus presented to you should carry you the rest of the way. Hth, |
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| Ohio Pen Show - Nov 3-5 | |
| 6/30/2000: Len Provisor | |
| Ohio Pen Show in Columbus coming up before you know it. Quietly zooming up in to the top of the heap in attendance and tables, I'd just like to comment it's a down home comfy show, they're as friendly as Boris and Stan at Houston, loads of new & vintage just like DC and Chicago, and Terry and Sonya even see to it everyone is happy with their famous Ohio pizza party....yum! Great auction, too. Had fun last year, plan on it again this year. Oh yes, loads of free advertising ink blotters for everyone. | |
| alt.pens | |
| 6/30/2000: sherman barnes | |
| How does one access the alt.pens-pencils board? | |
| mont blanc | |
| 6/29/2000: gord | |
| i have an obsolete mont blanc fountain pen... it is model number 1128 there is a problem between the connect of the ink cartriage and the nib...i believe it is damaged inside...i sent it away for repairs but it was returned...parts unavailable...can anyone help me get it fixed thank you | |
| Betzler & Wilson N. Y. Eyedropper Pens | |
| 6/29/2000: Pat | |
| Does anyone have any information about the Betzler & Wilson pen company from N.Y. which produced some quality eyedropper pens ca. 1900-1910? I know I've read something about their pens somewhere, but I can't find it now. Was it in Pen World? Thanks in advance for any info, Pat | |
| Ads? What ads? | |
| 6/29/2000: Bruce | |
| I don't see any banner ads when I go to this board. Just gotta know how to look. | |
| Sheaffers parts wanted | |
| 6/29/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| A have a couple of oversized Sheaffers balance pens with corroded plunger rods. Does anybody have spare plunger rods to sell ? | |
| A Snowball's Chance in H*** ... but .... | |
| 6/29/2000: Michael Pantano | |
| I know this is a tall order, but one never knows until one asks. Might anyone out there have a cap for a Jade Eversharp Ooversize Deco Band Gold Seal pen? I tols ya it was a tall order! please e-mail with price. TIA ~Michael~ | |
| A Pen Topic! | |
| 6/29/2000: Ross McKinney | |
| I have recently been writing with two wonderful Pelikan 120s. When I had one, I had assumed it was the 1970's variant. Then I was sold an identical pen from a knowledgeable user who swore it was from the 50s. Can anyone give me clues how to distinguish pens from the two eras? In the meantime, they are both fantastic, flexible pens with steel nibs - it can be done! | |
| So Long Frank | |
| 6/29/2000: Kevin M | |
| Dean, I have been reading this board for many months, however, this is my first post in light of Frank Dubiel's diatribes over how he wants YOUR business run. You should rightly feel absolutely entitled to run your business as you see fit either to break even or show a profit. It is not his business to lecture you. My perception is his act is that of a spoiled child who couldn't get the group to play with the toys his way so off he goes. Several years ago I intended to meet him at a pen show given the seeming legend he is held in. Instead, I was completely put off while watching him look down his nose at someone else who had little experience in pen collecting. Maybe it was just a bad day but it certainly was un-gentlemanly. Good luck with your business. | |
| The Record | |
| 6/29/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| Don't worry, this will be my last post here too. If it is allowed to stand. Here is what happened. I hadn't really thought much about selling PL, I just knew I needed it to take less of my time. I told Frank I intended to get myself out of it and I told him that prior to Chicago. I think he even posted something to that effect. I told Frank if a buyer didn't emerge, I was willing to give it to him. Frank was intrigued by that but the fact is, he is away from home even more than I am and it would have been hard for him to do. So we left it that if I found a buyer fine, and if not we would talk further. Frank may have been disappointed at that but the fact is, if he wants his own board he can certainly have it. There's plenty of real estate out there to set up shop. I was amazed at the interest expressed in Chicago. Dean was NOT the buyer of last resort, I had offers of more than he paid. But the truth is there was never any condition of sale as to what he would do with it. I am not in any way at all suggesting that Dean is violating a sale agreement. On the other hand, he did tell both Frank and I that there would be no ads on the board. There was initially a page called Partners and it said this is where ads will be. Then it got changed to this is where more ads will be. Fine. Whatever. If I were an advertiser I'd want my ad where the most people saw it. But I would at least consider that if the ads were keeping some people away, (who knows how many?) that it just might be self-defeating. Brings to mind something about a goose and an egg. | |
| Franks goodbye??? | |
| 6/29/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| With all due respect to Frank Dubiel, I need to set the record straight. I’m afraid Frank that you have some of your so called facts incorrect. Lynn did know that if I purchased PenLovers I would be selling advertising on the site. He even knew of who a few of advertisers might be. At Chicago not even I knew where the advertising would be on the site or what it would look like. So where they were to be placed on the site simply wasn’t discussed in advance of me purchasing PenLovers. Regarding Frank’s comment “It was important to Lynn and me that this board remain non-commercial”. This board and website was Lynn’s, it never was Frank’s board or website, and it isn’t now. Further for the record if Lynn had not found a buyer for Penlovers he told me that the site would be given to Frank Dubiel. I understand, and was told by Lynn that Frank was very upset when Lynn chose to sell Penlovers to me, rather than give it to Frank for free. On to Da Book advertising: First, I must say that I have an autographed copy of Da Book. It is a useful reference tool for fountain pen repair, especially for the do it yourself person. Yes Frank you have advertised it on the board, not all the time, but sometimes in every post. Yes sometimes others call your posts simply advertising for Da Book. Oh, and yes you do sell Da Book. And yes sometimes you get blasted for it by others on the board. However, you’re still alive and kicking despite it all, and so am I. You are right there is no useful purpose in debating the presence of advertisers on Penlovers they are here to stay, final answer. Frank I know that you won’t respond on this board because you stated that you have made your final post to the board. But you are welcome to email me back channel if you’d like. As to the future discussion of any changes to Penlovers, please email me comments or suggestion about PenLovers off-line. It has become distracting to the purpose of the board. Dean | |
| BYE FRANK | |
| 6/29/2000: allen gross / pens plus | |
| Frank, I admire your conviction, see you at the Miami show. | |
| Frank & Others | |
| 6/29/2000: Rich Matosky | |
| I too am sorry to see Frank & others go. The encyclopedic knowledge of pens and the hobby have been helpful to me in my 2 + years of collecting vintage pens. However, I must add my voice to those that agree and support Dean as he seeks new and potentially interesting ways to add dimension and depth to, after all is said and done, his PenLover's Site. It's a wonderful thing, this internet, we all have complete and total freedom to either participate - or not! On our own terms - or not! Good luck to Frank (I have both books...they're great!) and all those that have chosen to "not participate on their own terms". I look forward to seeking them all out at shows and getting more of that valuable insight into our great hobby! Rich | |
| The Board | |
| 6/29/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| It is sad to hear people say they are leaving the board. However, why post to tell others ? If you leave, you just leave. I think the board is more important than any one person, or group of people. | |
| Frank Dubiel | |
| 6/29/2000: Ken Jones | |
| Sorry to see you go. See you at the shows. | |
| Ad comments | |
| 6/29/2000: Allan Fuld | |
| I'm here to stay,ads or no ads. If you want every to go only your way, It's not going to happen.Let's all settle down, and get back to pens. Myself, I'd like to see more vintage talk on the board. Allan | |
| Goodbye Penlovers | |
| 6/29/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| I certainly have advertised pens and Da Book myself. No useful purpose is served debating their presence on this board. Many of these advertisers are dear friends of mine. However, this is not what I and others were led to believe would become of PL once it changed hands. Blinking banners are too much of a distraction on my tired eyes. I wish Dean and the advertisers well. They remain my friends. I am simply not comfortable in this environment. Anyone with comment or questions directed can contact me via email or in the alt.collecting.pens-pencils newsgroup where I will continue to post. Like others who already left this is my final post here. Frank | |
| Tired of board comments? | |
| 6/29/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| With all respect to Allan I can say for a fact that Dean did not make his plans for this site known to Lynn when he bought it. Lyunn can confirm that. I was there and spoke to Dean for hours as well. It was important to Lynn and me that this board remain non-commercial. Lynn could have sold the site for far more money to a commercial operator. Dean told us ads would be entirely on one or two pages. Dean also agreed at Chicago in phone conservations with me that distracting blinking banners would have no place on this board. Frank | |
| Ads? | |
| 6/29/2000: Bill R | |
| My pair 'o pennies! Speaking as one who is in the middle of a great deal of turmoil over a pen related web site, Stylophiles, I thought I would weigh in with a comment or three on the ads. Sure it's great to think of these sites as being in support of the hobby, and they are, but it's not enough to simply stop there. They DO cost money to run, and time. And, unless the owner/operator is wealthy or retired, it's not unreasonable to expect that the site should pay for itself. With Stylophiles, we are finding that we can only get an issue out about every four months! Now, if the site was able to provide an actual income, that could change, and just like any business, the more it brings in, the better it could be. The same thing holds true here, I imagine. I like the idea of seeing new things on the way, but I certainly expect there to be a price tag on them. In this case, that price tag is having to look at a few banner ads! As for the struggles at Stylophiles, anyone who wants to give to the hobby, please feel free to contact me about doing some writing! | |
| bored of board comments | |
| 6/29/2000: Allen Gross/Pens Plus | |
| Overwhemingly, there are far more positive than negative comments about the new board. Since I'm the person who introduced Lynn & Dean at the last Chicago show andI know how the sale took place. To me the internet is the same as watching television, there's always something you don't want to see, that's why the "X" is at the top right of your page. If you don't like what you see, go elsewhere, or better yet, start your own free board. The ads are here to stay, I know, because I have rented the space for a year, as did the other advertisers. Dean has some wonderful plans for the board if people would just give him a chance. Mark F, Dean made his plans known to Lyn from the start and he was the only person willing to put his money were his mouth was. He was at the Chicago show buying pens for his collection, not looking for a business to buy. I introduced Dean & Lynn and within hours a sale was made. If Lynn had reservations about Dean as a new owner he wouldn't have sold it to him so quickly. | |
| Need for ads | |
| 6/29/2000: Mark F | |
| Excuse me but there are countless websites that bring in no money at all. They are there as a public service and believe it or not, many of them are there to lend support to a hobby. I've been in touch with Lynn and while he acknowledges Dean's right to do as he wishes with the site, he did share with me that he launched the site and ran it for three years with no income from it as a way of giving something back to the hobby. That spirit seems to have fallen by the wayside hasn't it? The idea that we have this board only because of ads is therefore nonsense. The truth is that penlovers is now in the hands of someone who wants to take from the hobby rather than giving to it. How many of these advertisers ever contributed here in the past? Even though I seldom post I've been reading this board a long time. The only posts I remember seeing from any of them were self-serving ads. Advertising may be a fact of life, but I will choose a hobby forum that is not supported by ads... one where I am not served up to marketeers on a platter. | |
| Looks good | |
| 6/29/2000: Don Anderson | |
| I'm not a frequent poster but I read the board daily. I find lots of good info and enjoy some of the exchanges. The advertising doesn't bother me because I know how expensive it is to run a web site like this. If it keeps it free to us, go for it. It is not as bothersome as some of the posts with very long lists of things for sale. I like the idea of a separate post for trading. Keep up the good work. | |
| Advertising | |
| 6/29/2000: Bob Johnson | |
| Advertising on the net is a fact -- and so is software that suppresses net ads. It speeds up page loading and unclutters the look. I use AtGuard (which combines ad suppression, cookie control, and firewall functions). It was purchased by Norton and is sold as their internet security program; there are others. | |
| Parker "51" GF "Watermelon" stripecap | |
| 6/28/2000: Len Provisor | |
| I have a First Year "51" with a rare or prototype two-tone yellow/pink gold striped cap, it appears to have a "shellac" or rhodium clear coating. Some of it is worn away. It's been suggested to use alcohol to clean off the rest, Simichrome does not make a stitch of difference. Before I try try alcohol, anyone else have suggestions? I prefer not to buff, top imprint is very sharp & minty. Thanks | |
| PCA Ballots | |
| 6/28/2000: PCA | |
| Pete D wrote: Did anyone get the PCA ballot for Board of Directors? Can
the PCA do anything right? Frank, you're too good for them; I'd vote for you, but don't
want to do that to you. Let us know; do you really want to be on the board? Pete D - You have not received your PCA Ballot for Board of Directors, nor has anyone else because they have not yet been mailed. They are scheduled to be mailed the last week of June and they will be mailed the last week of June. Not sure what you mean by the PCA not doing anything right, would be happy to address any questions or concerns you might have, as would any of the other current directors. In fact, I tried to personally reply to your post to this board, but there was no email address entered. You can reach me by replying to this post. All directors can be reached via the PCA website - http://www.pencollectors.com Sam Fiorella |
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| promotion pen | |
| 6/28/2000: Steve Sun | |
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| Conklin nozac | |
| 6/28/2000: Gerry Cruise | |
| I have a Conklin nozac that needs a new gasket for the piston. Can anyone recomend someone who has experience repairing nozacs? | |
| Advertising - not necessarily evil | |
| 6/28/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| I think all of us visiting this board should be courteous to the board owner. The board needs money to run and unless users are prepared to pay a subscription to visit it, advertising seems to be a reasonable approach. | |
| Advertisment and the Old Board | |
| 6/28/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Just to let everybody know the advertisers of Penlovers are helping to pay for the maintenance, upkeep, and new features of Penlovers. The old board, which at this point in time I have made the choice to leave up, will have the same advertisers as the new board. The scripts are being worked on to implement this. I at this point in time haven’t made the decision whether or not to leave the old site intact. I am considering this from both sides though. I have had so much positive feedback on the new look and function of Penlovers and the new positive direction that the site is going. I will no go backwards from here only forward with fresh new content and features (as quick as my fingers can type, so to speak). Advertising and promotion on the internet is a fact these days, I’ve tried to carefully pick and choose where it should be placed on Penlovers. There are newsgroups out there that don’t have advertising right yet. However you can bet that they are working on ways to get advertisement in front of you even in those forums. Subscription sites are also available but I did not want to even consider going in that direction. It would be much more work and an accounting nightmare. Regarding the Penlovers policy about only one for sale post per day. Yes, I’d like to keep in that way. I have considered creating a “Buy, Sell, Trade” board to be used just for that purpose. I would welcome any comments or ideas on that subject. Dean Tweeddale | |
| The Old Board | |
| 6/28/2000: Mark F. | |
| I prefer the old board without the spam and have bookmarked it. Take note advertisers: I'm not seeing your ads! nyah nyah! | |
| Banner Ads | |
| 6/28/2000: Michael Pantano | |
| I've bookmarked the old style bulletin board page and see no banner ads here. I checked the frame-style bulletin board and there they are. So long as Dean keeps the old style bulletin board page up and running, adding the banners can be considered a non-event. I do hope, however, that something akin to Lynn's old policy about one FS ad per day per poster can be adhered to. ~Michael~ | |
| Advertising /Sheaffers | |
| 6/28/2000: Allan Fuld | |
| There's Madison Avenue Advertising, and Home Folks Advertising. I see nothing wrong with Sam at Pendemonium, or Gary Lehrer advertising.Even Allen Gross is Ok.(Joke,Allen). What I don't want to see is advertising by the manufacturers for a purely commercial purpose. I know I'm not being specific, but I hope you understand my view. Anyway, anybody out there have any Flattop Sheaffers for sale, or on thier trading pile? Allan | |
| PCA? | |
| 6/28/2000: Pete D | |
| Did anyone get the PCA ballot for Board of Directors? Can the PCA do anything right? Frank, you're too good for them; I'd vote for you, but don't want to do that to you. Let us know; do you really want to be on the board? | |
| Quarterly Illustrated Pen Catalog | |
| 6/28/2000: Gary Lehrer | |
| The Quarterly Illustrated Vintage Pen Catalog is now on the web in full color. Myrna and I have been publishing this catalog for several years now, and we’re pleased to make it available to non-subscribers through our new web site; www.gopens.com. For the first two weeks of publication, the 200+ pens in each catalog are reserved for paid subscribers, who will continue to receive a hard copy. Catalog #15 is now available for everyone to visit. As always, all pens are restored, working and guaranteed. We hope to see you at www.gopens.com. | |
| Banner ads--We ain't seen nothing yet??? | |
| 6/28/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| I'm sure advertisers will jump in to say how great the ads are. Plus how wrong I am. But I know I'm not the only one deeply troubled by the statement welcoming them and far more so by saying "we ain't seen nothing yet." I don't like the idea of friends spamming friends. I know what we were told was planned for PL vs what is happening. The ads were to be in one or two places on other pages. Not on this board. Discussions about pen collecting is being pushed aside by ads, and posts by advertisers. Guess I'm getting in the way with occasional posts about pen collecting rather than selling and praise of selling. When PL was sold I was led to belive the board would remain non-commercial. There may be more posts--but where's the beef? Or spam has become the beef? Frank | |
| Western Writing Implements | |
| 6/28/2000: Sam - Pendemonium | |
| Western Writing Implements in the Age of the Quill Pen was written by
Michael Finlay in UK and published in 1990. If you are strictly into fountain pens, then
read no further! But, if you're interested in the history of writing implements and
perhaps how they have influenced what we write with today, keep reading! Includes history of the quill pen, preparing & cutting quills, a chapter on ink, parchment and paper, info on pounce pots, inkhorns, inkwells, early pencils, wax seals and a good bit more. Western Writing is hardbound, 197 pages with great historical info, numerous B&W photos and a few beautiful color plates in the center of the book. This book is out of print and has been for some time now. I have acquired 5 copies of this book. $100 shipped in the US, actual fees elsewhere. As always, your satisfaction is guaranteed! Checks and credit cards welcomed. Please email to reserve - sam@pendemonium.com Good Collecting, Sam |
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| Parker Vacumatic display case for sale | |
| 6/28/2000: Len Provisor | |
| A piece of Parker history from COLUMBUS,OH Boy, is this a great display case for the avid Parker or Vacumatic collector. Floor model is 42" high - 24" deep - 40" wide - top glass portion is 30" high with 12" 2-drawer wood bottom. Wired with 2 flourescent lamps, front and back, brass frames for 4 glass shelves, two are included. Frosted glass sliding doors in back, and two backside drop leaves to access shelves. Glass etch PARKER logo on front in 3" high letters. VACUMATIC imprinted on inside back, dating this to 1934-36. No chips or cracks in glass, one drawer pull on bottom is a replacement, wiring needs upgrade, bottom 3" footing needs paint touch-up. Full original labels: COLUMBUS SHOWCASE CO. Columbus, OH and Union Made United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America. This offer is "Cash & Carry" from Northern Illinois, 50 mi north of Chicago. Yours for only $300....come and pick it up. I'll even buy lunch and we can talk all things pens. E-mail provisorpro@earthlink.net for pictures, or call 847.566.3400 M-F 9-9 or so. | |
| Hello Banner Advertisers !! | |
| 6/28/2000: Len Provisor | |
| I would have to say..."You ain't seen nothin' yet", with so many new advertisers jumping on this bandwagon so fast, this is a major statement of confidence for this PenLovers site. The more chat, pen talk and participation from all you viewers, all the better that we advertisers like it. So jump right in, add to the discussion however remotely related to pens, inks and all things in the sport of pens. | |
| wanted: Visconti Ragtime Cinnabar | |
| 6/27/2000: Terry Clark | |
| Hi all, I'm looking for a Visconti Ragtime, round top, in Cinnabar color, with a fine nib. I love these pens, but unfortunately I "discovered" fountain pens after they went out of production (yes, not that long ago). If you can help please email. Thanks to all. Sincerely, Terry Clark | |
| Montblanc Proust FP.S | |
| 6/27/2000: Allen Gross | |
| Just received Writer's series Marcel Proust Fountain Pens in F & M nibs. All Sealed from factory 649.99 each. Limited stock !! | |
| Looking for an Astoria Baby Nib | |
| 6/27/2000: Roberto | |
| Once upon a time I had a small Astoria Baby Safety pen. But the gold nib (a "0" size, in gold) was without iridium so I sent it to John Mottishaw to have it repaired. The work was done, the nib shipped back to me, but never arrived... Can anybody help me finding another one? Thanks Roberto | |
| FS Parker Flighter 51 Pencil | |
| 6/26/2000: Mark | |
| Offered for sale Parker 51 Flighter pencil in excellent condition, working, no dings. Best reasonable offer. TIA. Mark | |
| June update of the Parker 75 website | |
| 6/26/2000: Lih-Tah Wong | |
| Greetings Penlovers! Just a quick note to say that I have updated my Parker 75 website over the weekend. In this issue I added actual model numbers for various 75 patterns gleaned from Parker documents. Also added a price list showing the various patterns that were offered over the years. Stop by if you have an interest in the 75s. www.Parker75.com. ---- Lih-Tah | |
| Osmiroid Pens | |
| 6/26/2000: Kerry | |
| i was very much interested in calligraphy when i was little, and unfortuantely as i got older i gave up my hobby, but have since found time for it again. i had a favorite make of fountain pens, osmiroid. i tried to find some information on the company (hoping to get a catalogue) over the net but have been unsucessful. i was wondering if anyone knows what i'm talking about? and may help me out? | |
| L'Plume | |
| 6/26/2000: Bob | |
| I have received a pen as a gift and wonder if anyone can tell me what I have. The fountain pen is large, heavy, and the only marking I can find is "925" for the sterling silver. It has a design which I would describe as the "Barley finish" on some pens. Came in an unmarked black box with the lettering "SS007" on a sticker. Enclosed in the box is an instruction sheet which identifies this as a "L'Plume" pen but says nothing about manufacturer, etc. Does anyone know who made this, its value, etc. Thanks for any information. | |
| Planned obsolescence | |
| 6/26/2000: Bill Stevens | |
| Regarding the comment on "Planned Obsolescence" for a certain un-named pen which rhymes with Pontflanc, when was the change in materials that made them brittle? | |
| Gee I missed all the fun... | |
| 6/26/2000: Dee | |
| Oh my, everytime I'm away on travel and can't get to check out this board all sorts of things happen! Just finished catching up and though late here's my 2 cents worth. Dean -- I love the new look - clean - crisp, but then I love change. Keep up the good work and the lively conversation. Frank -- your comment about planned obsolescence designed into MB pens -- how very logical. I never thought about that but certainly explains the difference in quality in newer MB pens when compared to older ones. thanks all Dee | |
| FS Dynasty (Golden Dragon) by Pelican | |
| 6/26/2000: Chris | |
| Never ink before, the very rare Pelican Dynasty for US$3,500 inclusive of shipping/insurance cost. | |
| Pelikan 100N | |
| 6/25/2000: David | |
| I am looking for a clip for a pre 1939 Pelikan 100N. I have a thought about the present decline in some vintage pen prices, particularly at on line auctions. I used to run Antique shows in my younger days and items that were classified as Collectables were always subject to highs and lows for the following reason. An item would become very popular,it may have been brought to the fore as "Collectable" by The Antiques Road Show or by some well known personality ( example Martha Stewart's green Fire King Kitchenware )The prices would rise immediately and everybody would be trying to cash in, dumping large quantities on the market. Ultimately the price would drop. At the moment there are 88 Parker 51s and 101 Duofolds on Ebay, a couple of years ago you would be lucky if there were a dozen of either. I should point out that I am new at pen collecting and have a lot to learn, so I could be way out on my above assessment. David | |
| VS clips | |
| 6/25/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| I share Frank's view on this. The case in point highlights a main difference between collecting pens (and other repairable items with replaceable parts) and say collecting procelain items. One can't say for sure whether a pen is "original" (meaning exactly the same as the day it was made) and when it was made. It is futile to say, in my opinion, that a certain pen was manufactured in a certain year even though its parts may bear a year code. For all we know, that pen might have been made later with parts left from that year. I often wonder why some people pay good (meaning too good) money for transitional models that were basically just marriages of convenience. | |
| Bidders/Prices | |
| 6/25/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| I think it depends on the pen on sale. If it is a quality item, people will bid. A recently completed auction saw a Conklin combo reached more than $300, a bit pricey in my view. Another very nice engraved Swan silver lever filler went for more than $700. It is possible that bidders are more discerning. In my experience, there are still bidders out there who are prepared to pay reasonable money for quality pens. | |
| Bidders / Prices / Hype | |
| 6/25/2000: Michael Pantano | |
| I follow ebay and other auction sites with some regularity (and tend to bottom fish for those few bargains that, in fact, do appear from time to time). I agree with what Messers Fuld and Chait have already said. The issues surrounding the online auction of pens (unknowledagebale or unscrupulous sellers, pens arriving only to dissappoint the buyer by their condition, etc., etc., etc.) have all been discussed before. But I also see where some otherwise reasonably honest and reliable sellers tend to say things in their ads that have the net effect of overheating things. For example, with respect to that $1000 T-1 ballpoint, there was an ad by a seller (I honestly can't remember who it was) who made it seem, from his ad, that he knew exactly what he was talking about. He said that the T-1 FP and Pencil were quite rare and that the BP was "infinitely more rare." It seems that, to the new buyer with more bux than sense, this is an invitation to bid to the sky. That seller's T-1 BP went for a high, but not unrealistic, figure. Each of the next three(!!) (rare??) T-1 BP's that went up for auction went successively higher. The last one was the now-infamous one-grander. The point is, and the pattern is obvious, that one seller gets a high price for a particular model pen and their twins come out of the woodwork! After a few of any one pen go for outrageous prices and the word gets out, prices drop. That applies to that particular model, for sure, but it also seems to affect the larger market for pens in general. Prices drop a little, reserves (too high??) are unmet, and things cool off ...... until the next $1,000 T-1 BP episode occurs. By the way, has anyone been following that sterling filigree over cardinal Waterman's 20? The reserve got met at $300 or so, and the price is now at $3,300 (+/-) with about 3 days to go. Will this be a bargain for someone? Could be. Won't be me, though. | |
| Parker 51 nib | |
| 6/25/2000: Bill van Ginkel | |
| Do not like my Parker 51 fine nib. Does anyone know who can sell me a medium nib in either steel or gold. Thanks | |
| no bidders-FPH vintage pens | |
| 6/25/2000: J.F. Ouellette | |
| I want to offer some thoughts on two comments I read on this post. The bidders are perhaps A- More concerned about how their NASDAC investments are doing B- Are thinking about summer vacation instead of pens C- This could be the start of a bear market for pens. I noticed that recently the offering of vintage pens have also not been very good. I also think that their is an exageration on the use of reserve auctions. Eventually you can't ask for more money everytime. FPH list of vintage pens, I think that vintage pens are a finite item and their is a limit to the availability. Also there are many other ways to sell pens today (e-auctions). Dealers are competing for supply. I guess economics 101 is catching up to pen collecting. It would also be a good time for collectors to sell off the less interesting pens they accumulated in their collections. Those parts pens will also become interesting if someone starts making replacement parts for them. Best regards to all. | |
| Bidders / Prices | |
| 6/25/2000: Allan Fuld | |
| Prices naturally go up on most collectables because the supply is limited. New people in the market will always pay more for an item that an experienced collector will. New people buy an entry into the field. When they gain experience, they cut back on paying high prices for items. Meanwhile, the plus side of this is that it raises the price structure of the specific market. | |
| Allen- Pen Auctions | |
| 6/25/2000: Lee Chait | |
| In response to Allen I can only address the limited category that I look for which are Parker sales and advertising items; display cases; 75's and Duofolds. Within that group several of the 75 collectors are not bidding due to the artificially high prices that are created when you have people with more money than brains or common sense bidding on items. In the past year I bought T-1 BP's mint nos for $150-175 and someone paid over $1000 in an auction a couple of months ago. A Parker pointer, a $5-10 item (I just bought one this week for $7) sold for $150+. A solid gold 75 while a nice and rare pen is simply not worth (to me) the $3000 they are bringing. Much better buys at the Pen Shows. Also I have a number of people who contact me regarding items they have to sell because I'll give them a fair price for it. A lot of people I've talked to have also been disappointed in the quality of items they receive due to the lack of knowledge on the item by the seller. There are the occaisonal bargains to be had. You have to look hard though. For the new pen items I can buy them at the pen shows or from reliable sellers like Allen Gross, Jimmy Dolive or Scott Franklin and know what I'm getting. | |
| where have all the bidders gone ? | |
| 6/25/2000: allen gross | |
| Since I don't want to give Dean a stroke, I won't mention names, but where have all the bidders gone on the internet pen auctions. It seems that the listings are half of what they were three weeks ago, and very little seems to meet the reserves. Any comments ? | |
| VS Clips | |
| 6/25/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| Since clips and caps can be changed, and as has been said soooooo many times any pen company would use whatever was on hand to full orders if parts ran short--anything is possible. The question cannot be answered. Other than to say the VS was expected, and is expected to have a standard VS cap/clip. Same applies to 51s of which I've seen many with VS caps or clips--and we can only assume (but never prove) these are part swaps. Even if God proclaimed one to be original IMHO it would have no effect on value or anything since so many could be instantly made up today. So it is, or probably should be a non-issue. FD | |
| Parker VS Pens | |
| 6/25/2000: Michael | |
| In my personal experience - and in my research - I've only seem VS pens with clips like those on, say, a 1940's Duofold. The straight, non-arrow blue diamond clips with "Parker" on them. Were any VS pens made/sold with caps identical to a 51 cap (which, obviously can fit them and be easily swapped)? Thanks! ~Michael~ | |
| FPH Vint.Pen Qrtrly | |
| 6/25/2000: Ansel Olson | |
| IMHO, FPH's decision to cxl VPQ has more to do with the fact that FPH recently completed a complete overhaul of their website and are now ready to switch over to online retailing. | |
| SCPCC Meeting | |
| 6/24/2000: John Maloney | |
| The next meeting of the Southern California Pen Collectors Club will be on July 15th at the Fountain Pen Shop in Monrovia. We will have some speaker or demonstration as usual, just not sure of the topic as yet. Please e mail me for directions, or call Fred Krinke at the FPS at (626) 294-9974. All active members will receive a copy of the Scribbles newsletter shortly. John Maloney | |
| Availability of quality pens | |
| 6/24/2000: Larry Shelton | |
| Received a letter in today's mail from Fountain Pen Hospital signed by Terry Wiederlight. Terry states FPH is suspending publication of their Vintage Pen Quarterly due to the difficulty in locating quality vintage pens. That's a shame because they always had a great list of pens for sale. Does this mean that demand is about to out strip supply? I sure hope not.... | |
| mont blanc repair | |
| 6/24/2000: peter | |
| does anyone have the address and info or the web address for repair of mont blanc pens? thanks! | |
| Southeast Pen Collectors' Club | |
| 6/24/2000: Lee Chait | |
| The next meeting will be 2pm on 8/6 at Jimmy Dolive's Total Office Products. Our 100 member club doesn't meet in Jan/July/ Sept due to the holidays. This is the weekend between the Las Vegas and DC Pen Shows. If anyone would like further information you can email me or catch me at Miami/LV/DC. We always meet on the first Sunday of the month for the other 9 months. | |
| Let me introduce myself.... | |
| 6/24/2000: Len Provisor | |
| I'm Len Provisor, fountain pen and vintage advertising ink blotter collector. I'm 57, married 35 years, just became a first-time grandfather 3 months ago. I'm in the advertising promotions business in Northern IL, and also represent many fine pen lines for corporate sales, not retail. Collecting pens since around 1960, more actively since 1985. I've turned my blotter hobby into a fun-business, designing and producing advertising blotters for dealers, collectors and pen makers all over the world. From simple graphics to 4/color process. I just made blotters for OMAS, featuring their deco vintage poster of "The Girl in Red", definetly one to snag at a pen show. I also produce the nice giveaways for many of the pen shows, such as Washingotn, D.C.'s tote bags, Chicago mugs, maling this an real fun part of the business. At various Pen Shows, such as Houston, DC, Chicago, and Ohio, you'll see me handing out free blotter samples. I'll be a banner advertiser here on PenLovers, anyone can contact me anytime for FREE samples of my blotters. You may have noticed my prior posting about the 1928 Parker Duofold airplane, one of my fun projects, and the first in a series. I'm crazy for Parker "51"'s...so that's a hint about my next Parker aircraft to be produced for next year. Always welcoming e-mails for more info on blotters, planes or just pen chat. So why not introduce yourself, tell us about your pen and inky passions. | |
| Topic - Newbie welcome | |
| 6/24/2000: Carlos | |
| A suggestion regarding promoting our Pen hobby. Consider having a welcome get together for all new pen collectors at the pen shows. Those stating that this is their first pen show on the registration would be invited to a get together at the hospitality room. Those show veterans wishing to welcome them could do so. Maybe even giving them a welcome package with info about some of the exhibitors and their product lines or vintage specialties. Few people forget the persons who got them interested in the hobby. Any other ideas? | |
| Pen World | |
| 6/24/2000: Lilly | |
| Hola Everyone, We offering back issues of Pen World for the low price of $4.95 each plus shipping. Sept 96 to present, feel free to call us toll free at 1-800-592-1234 to place your order. | |
| Pens FS: | |
| 6/24/2000: Dave | |
| a few pens that we are selling.... #7 waterman red ripple, pink ring and correct super flexibel pink nib, excellent color & conditon #94 waterman olive ripple, medium flex nib, excellent color and condition MD Dumas with a Mottishaw enhanced MB super flexible EF nib, used but looks like new and no leaks. original MB F nib with flur-de leis included in sale in case you wnat to go back email if interested, and I'll have some scans by tomorrow.. | |
| English Parker pens | |
| 6/24/2000: Bob Dye | |
| Visited an English antique store today and they had some English Parker pens. I bought a small blue Parker pen the looks of a "parker 21" but on the squeeze bar it only says Parker and London, England. Do the English not like numbering there pens, or is this some fluke. I'm only a novis at this sport but will believe anything you guys say here.... BTW, I would like this site no matter what kind of format, and my favorite saying is "Mean people SUCK"...TIA....Bob | |
| The Board | |
| 6/24/2000: Michael | |
| First off, I have no strong feeling one way or the other as to how the bulletin board looks, so long as I can still see what the _posters_ post. But it seems to me that a realistic and easy mass-appeasement solution has been found ..... run the frames bulletin board and the old-style bulletin board simultaneously. In this way, people can pick what they like, bookmark it, and we can all get back to pens. I _do_ think this discussion has been healthy. I would hate to think that we'd lose the benefit of the presence of some of the regulars over a non-pen issue. This board is what it is in no small measure due to the enthusiastic posting of a (relatively) few people from whom many of us learn. | |
| Triangle Pen Club 7/16 | |
| 6/24/2000: Ross McKinney | |
| Next meeting of the Research Triangle Pen Club of North Carolina will be Sunday July 16, 3PM at the Java Cafe of the Regulator Bookstore in Durham. E-mail for details. We can plan for the DC Pen Show (lots of us are going), and compare recent acquisitions. Ross | |
| Site Changes | |
| 6/24/2000: Bill Stevens | |
| You say you've gotten 46 opinions on the site changes. Well here is number 47: I really don't care much one way or the other, and I feel VERY STRONGLY about that. Please remember that the site is for everyone, including those of us with no opinions. | |
| A story of the 1928 Parker Duofold Airplane | |
| 6/24/2000: Len Provisor | |
| By 1928 The Parker Pen Co.was enjoying huge continued success with the Duofold pen. The prior Sept.,1927 Lapis Lazuli Blue and Mandarin Yellow were introduced, along with a new advertising theme "Pressureless Touch writing. George S. Parker, a former WW I Naval Pilot, fond of "flying machines", purchased the latest Fairchild FC2W2 giant monoplane, capacity of 8 passengers, a huge 410 hp Wasp radial engine capable of 140 mph, and a ceiling of 19,500 ft. a range of 900 miles. Purchase price: $13,672.50, including extra landing lights for $250. Christened by Amelia Earhart in Chicago as "The Parker Duofold", this unmistakeable orange plane was soon winging all over the United States to promote Parker Pen products, giving free rides to brave and foolhearty dealers and customers. This exact replica model is now available after two years of research. Exact RHR orange color and hand lettering, solid wood construction, an 18" wingspan that can proudly sit on your desk mounted on a satin black base, a personalized signature of Geoffrey S. Parker, great grand-son of George S. Parker, who has assisted on this project. NOT mass-produced, BY SUBSCRIPTION ORDERS ONLY to the end of year 2000. Then there will be no more. The first 100 will be L.E. numbered, mostly sold out now, delivery approx. early Sept. Balance of orders delivered approx. 2/01. This is a first in a series of Parker historical aircraft, another to be introduced in 2001. This model will be displayed at the Washington, DC and Ohio Pen Shows. Price: $250. +frt. from IL. VISA MC AMEX PAYPAL CHECKS (drawn in USA only) Order now...there will be no more later. E-mail for photos of model and actual vintage plane. Free brochure on request. Len Provisor Provisor Promotions, Inc. provisorpro@earthlink.net 847.566.3400 (CST) 9-5 M-F | |
| Pens | |
| 6/23/2000: Allan Fuld | |
| Can we stop critizing the site,and get back to talking about pens? | |
| PenLovers new look | |
| 6/23/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Wow, now I know what my Mom meant when she use to say “When you stir
the pot, you never know what your going to get”. Of course she was referring to a
soup pot. I haven’t responded until now about the new look of PenLovers because I did
want to get feedback and opinions about the site without influencing it. I’ve had 46
emails about the site since I changed the look, opinions vary, not all but most support
the fact that PenLovers is going in a positive direction. New content and categories will
be added as soon as possible. The navigation bars will stay as they provide ease of access
to the rest of PenLovers site, this is important maybe not to everybody but there will be
lots of new folks to the site. However, I may try to shrink them a little in width next
week. For the old timers the “no frames” site is and will be intact, you can
bookmark it, and the Bulletin Board content is identical. Advertising will start on PenLovers next week, it is being designed to be as unobtrusive as possible. One thing that I’d like everybody to keep in mind, is the advertisers on PenLovers are many of your friends. They’re the same folks and companies that you visit with at the Pen Shows, buy from whether in person or through the internet, and in some cases converse with on the Bulletin Board. They are in essence penlovers also, just having turned their passion into their business. Some of the regulars that post here have done the same in varying degree’s. I have in my opinion carefully picked companies that I feel add to the hobby. You will notice that I’ve added a “Bulletin Board Archive” button you are able to view all the past posts to the board starting with May 2000 when I purchased PenLovers from Lynn. Also I’ve changed what happens when you push the “Send” button to post a message. Now when you push “Send” the page will refresh automatically and you will see your post. This will help cut down on duplicate posts caused by the page not refreshing. If you experience any technical difficulties with this please let me know. I do appreciate all the feedback and opinions whether on the bulletin board or emailed privately. All is read, digested, most importantly listened to, and will help me in determining the future of “PenLovers”. As several have stated, PenLovers is mine to do with as I please, yes this is true, and yes I do have a considerable investment of time and money in PenLovers. But as I remember sitting and talking with Lynn at the Chicago show he told me that he had three choices to do with PenLovers. He could give it away, sell it, or pull the plug. Well I’m the middle choice and I would never have had this much fun if Lynn had pulled the plug. Keep enjoying the hobby and the pen community and I’ll keep doing my best. Dean Tweeddale |
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| Blue Pelikan M600 | |
| 6/23/2000: Vinay Sharma | |
| I am interested in purchasing a Blue Pelikan M600 in good working condition. Does anyone know where I might start my search? Thanks. | |
| New site-new pens-new chat | |
| 6/23/2000: Len Provisor | |
| In talking with Dean I see this is going to be a whole new format, many exciting new features resulting in a lot more chat about new pens, vintage pens and all things doing with the sport of pen collecting. Lately I've been attracted to crescent fillers, I have only a few Conklins, but just today received my Stipula L.E. from Neal Frank's Santa Fe Pens, made in an incredibly beautiful Terra Cotta color, fitted with a broad italic nib. What appeals to me are the vintage features of fountain pens retro-designed into modern pens. I can't help but notice some pen manufacturers subtley incorporating a "Safety" feature, ripple hard rubber materials, and other designs that bring back the nostalgic and romantic appeal of vintage fountain pens. I have great pleasure in pumping a lever, twisting a piston and hearing that ink suck up that feed. Cartridges.....ok for travel and convenience, but a tankful of ink lets me sit and write some serious stuff...uninterrupted by sudden ink starvation. So what turns you on in the use of a fountain pen? | |
| New Look / Frames | |
| 6/23/2000: Matthew Donadio | |
| The new look is nice. Keep up the good work. I will agree with WJD, though, that frames are evil. One thing to keep in mind is that pages with frames look different with different browsers, and they have a tendency to crash some browsers. Having the frames free navigation is nice. | |
| regarding the new look | |
| 6/23/2000: Waco Johnny D | |
| Hi Dean, You might want to remove the apostrophe from the "Bulletin Board Archive's" link. As an old English professor once told me, an apostrophe shouldn't be used to indicate an "s" is coming. For those who prefer a plain-text interface, there's always alt.collecting.pens-pencils, although I myself have always considered HTML frames to be the work of the devil. ;-) Best regards, WJD |
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| Ink prices | |
| 6/23/2000: John Cutcher | |
| Thanks for responding, Frank. I was making a liitle joke, of course. My impression was also that the cost of ink bears no relation to the cost of production. But that's part of the price you pay for using what is now considered a luxury rather than a necessity. Skrip and Quink remain bargains compared to some other inks such as Mont Blanc. Hope ink prices have plateaued for awhile, anyway. | |
| PenLovers New Look | |
| 6/23/2000: Sam Fiorella | |
| Personally, I like the new look of PenLovers & I think it's great
that Dean is trying to improve the informational aspects of this site. I find it fascinating that people can be so quick to criticize any kind of change. I suspect that Dean welcomes constructive criticism and will take it to heed. One of my favorite old sayings is: "You can't be all things to all people". Some folks didn't like the old site, some folks don't like the new site and some folks just won't be happy no matter what it looks like! The same is true of every other website on the internet. Good Collecting - Sam |
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| Weekend Pens F/S | |
| 6/23/2000: Sam - Pendemonium | |
| Inky Greetings! Sifting thru some pens this morning, probably have had these for too long, so prices have been reduced - All are restored and in working order. Shipping is included in the US, actual fees elsewhere. 1. 51 Demi, 1948, black barrel, lustraloy cap, vac fill, 14KT hooded gold nib, fine point, 4.75 inches long, light surface wear on blind cap and cap, very good condition Was $80 NOW $40 2. Vacumatic, 1943, Debutante, blue, gold filled trim, single cap band, black cap jewel, Parker 14KT arrow nib, fine point, 4.75” long, little bits of brassing, light surface wear NOW $45 3. Parker Parkette Deluxe FP & Pencil set, solid black, chrome trim - triple bands at cap edge, single band at top, faceted cap and barrel, lever fill, Parker USA 14KT nib, fine point, 4 7/8 inches, matching pencil is 5 inches, both in Very Good condition. Was $90 for the set NOW $50 4. Waterman 3V FP, ca. 1935, black, nickel trim, lever fill, Waterman Ideal 14KT no. 2 nib, very flexible fine point, 4.25 inches long, very slight corrosion to clip, otherwise very good condition Was $75 NOW $35 5. Sheaffer Craftsman FP, ca. late 1940s, balance styling, solid brown, gold filled trim, narrow band at cap edge, lever fill, no white dot, Sheaffers 14KT #33 nib, fine point, 5 inches long, very good condition Was $40 NOW $25 Pens sold to the first firm requests! Checks and credit cards welcomed. Please email to reserve - sam@pendemonium.com Good Collecting! Sam |
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| Post Removed | |
| 6/23/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| This is in reply to Lynn, I have removed no posts except those that are duplicates. I would guess that your post was overwritten when I was editing the duplicate posts this morning. I had not disabled the Bulletin board while doing this so probably while re-uploading your post was over written. In the future I’ll disable the board while editing so this will not happen. I would encourage you to repost your thought for all to read. Dean Tweeddale | |
| The New Look | |
| 6/23/2000: William T. Wieder | |
| I love the new look of the board. I guess it IS a matter of personal taste for the most part, but it might be an uphill battle to convince people who still love fountain pens, that the new look is better than the old. Still, I am impressed with the changes that Dean has made in the short time he has taken over the board. | |
| Post Removed | |
| 6/23/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| I've had my post removed from the board this morning. It was nothing objectionable, just some commentary on what's happening with pens and pen forums on the internet, and the hobby in general. Anyone interested will have to email me I guess. If this post is removed as well the readership will become aware of it through other means and, I think, find this particular censorship to be without just cause and contrary to the spirit of what they want in a forum. Lynn | |
| Cost of Skrip? | |
| 6/23/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| Skrip remains the one of the lowest retail cost ink available. Yet ink costs far less than gas to make. In fact the actual cost to make a gallon of ink is only a few cents. Of course, that doesn't include packaging/shiping, etc. As recently as 15 years ago Skrip was 69cents and almost no other ink was over a buck. Inflation is not the reason ink is so expensive--its simply a super high profit item. Not much different from ink jet cartridges which only cost 5 to 50 cents to make and retail for as much as $40 or more. Ink seems a small expense and most folks don't object since a bottle lasts so long. With new pen prices so high companies discovered ink could go way up as well. I'm not complaining as much as simply responding to John's comments about its cost vs gas. Its simply what the market seems to bear. Frank | |
| Ads on the net.../Cross refills | |
| 6/23/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| The net is different from watching "free" television which is also ad supported. How many would watch free TV if the screen during every show had half its space devoted to ads constantly? (And not all "free" isp's use constant ads--try www.worldspy.net--no ads at all--ever, and all free.) Yes, its Dean's board to do with as he wants. But Dean has also asked for comments and thats what we are doing. If Penlovers becomes a totally commercial site thats his decision, and I'd don't object unless the ads also appear heavily on the board page. As I already said--try reading the board in the new format on a mini-laptop. Its nearly impossible with my old eyes, even with glasses! At any rate, Lynn of all people knows what Penlovers was, is and could become, and he started the this thread. You may remember a few months ago Lynn considered spliting the board into selling vs non-selling boards. Probably 30 or so people commented and no one wanted to see a split. So the board remained in its easy format. So far the old link to the old format works fine and there is no real problem at all. We are simply making opinions known when asked for them. We all know and respect its Dean's board to do with as he wants. As for Cross--those cartridges are dsigned to work only in Cross and not other cartridge really fits without some effort or modification. Frank | |
| just another comment | |
| 6/23/2000: Allen Gross | |
| Seems to me that everyone has enjoyed this board for years for FREE!!!!! If Lynn choose to operate a certain way , so be it. Lynn didn't give this board away to Dean, he sold it to him. Dean like any other business man has to have a way of making the board profitable for himself as an investment, while attempting to give us the readers the best board possible for FREE. Many of you use altavisa or other free internet providers and for this free service your sujected to some advertising, SO WHAT,IT's NO BIG DEAL! We should all be thrilled to have a wonderful board to go to and be able to express our views FOR FREE. IMHO Dean should do what works for him, those that like it will stay and see a greater more improved board, those that don't can go in other directions, isn't freedom of choice great !! | |
| New Board | |
| 6/23/2000: Andrew J. Zuckerman | |
| I don't find the small frame with links to be intrusive. I normally don't take the tine to go to other sections of the site -- this makes it easier and more convenient to reach them. I think that the new sidebar encourages greater participation in what Penlovers has to offer. If it's not too much work, it might be a good idea to continue to run both the old board and the new one so folks can have a choice. | |
| The rising price of Skrip | |
| 6/22/2000: John Cutcher | |
| I was filling up at the gas station the other day, and cringing for the owner of a Suburban who just got through putting $52.00 worth of gas in his tank. Kinda congratulating myself for having a more economical vehicle. Then I noticed a 2 oz. bottle of Skrip from the 1960s on my desk. Retail price, 25 cents. There are 128 oz. in a gallon, so back then Skrip cost $16 a gallon, purchased in small bottles (obviously you could get it cheaper in quart bottles.) Today's retail price is $4.50 for 2 oz., which comes to $288 a gallon! Now who's spending too much? At least it does take me longer to get through a gallon of ink than a gallon of gas... | |
| New Board | |
| 6/22/2000: Will Thorpe | |
| I like to sit and read the board off my big screen TV (ain't WebTV great). I'm not inerested in having a bunch of links taking up space. Put the links on the home page for those who want the stuff. All I want to see are the posts with nothing else reducing sceen size, especially when on my PC. It's not my board but IMHO the simplicity was the best point. | |
| New Look | |
| 6/22/2000: Robert Sachs | |
| Maybe it depends on the ISP or server you are using but I don't get any where near half the screen filled with the links the way Frank does. They are, at most one tenth of the screen and not that intrusive. All in all, I'd stick with it. Bob | |
| New Look | |
| 6/22/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| This follows my earlier posting. I've taken another look and realise that the "old board" link is alive and active. If you want the status quo, all you need to do is bookmark that page. Unless Dean aims to do away with that page, there is no need for all the commotion. Perhaps some users do not realise this and thus have negative thoughts about the new look. If the choice is still there, there is nothing to worry about. | |
| New Look | |
| 6/22/2000: Bob Johnson | |
| Frames are bad web page design. They cause more problems than they solve. | |
| New Look | |
| 6/22/2000: John | |
| I have to weigh in here as well. I know the frames will probably mean more traffic to other parts of the board, but I imagine most folks (like me) have the message board bookmarked, and that's why we come to PenLovers. It's not that the new look is unattractive, it's just . . . unnecessary. | |
| The new board | |
| 6/22/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| Actually, I don't think there is anything wrong with the new look. Yes I am used to the old bulletin board too but I also like the ability to access the other links directly. I guess, to satisfy those who prefer the old outlook, one possibility is to preserve the link which brings one to the "old board". The internet is a dynamic arena and I applaud Dean's efforts in bringing new ideas to the Board. | |
| I don't like it! | |
| 6/22/2000: Mark | |
| I'm with Lynn and Frank, the simpler the better. Try to improve by simplifying and not complicating, that's where challenge comes. Mark | |
| Alexander Dumas Mont Blanc fountain pen | |
| 6/22/2000: Joy McMillan | |
| I have an Alexander Dumas Mont Blanc fountain pen broad nib I would like to sell. The pen has been inked one time but not used. | |
| I like it even less | |
| 6/22/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| Sorry, Dean. Lynn is right in IMHO. Literally half the screen is wasted. In other words a 17" expensive monitor is reduced to a puny 8" when trying to read posts. The rest of the screen is even worst than wasted--its a distraction. As so many have pointed out its the very simple design of Penlovers that made it great. This is a big step backwards. On the home page it would be OK, but the constant presence of links on half the screen is spam-like. My mini-laptop has a 6" screen--meaning 3" for posts! Ecch! I realize one can (so far?) click back to the original format. But I think making my and others feelings known up front could hopefully prevent Penlovers going the way of other sites with lots of wasted screen space. Screen "real-estate" is an important issue. Its just as easy to have a extensive site without all this stuff. One index page, either on the home page or linked to it can do it all without a constant half screen reminder of other pages. I realize its Dean's site to do with as he pleases, but I urge him to listen to those of us who have been here for years--and just why we have been here. So thats my two cents worth. Frank | |
| I don't like it | |
| 6/22/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| But I'm only speaking as just another reader. I don't like frames. They make me feel imposed upon rather than comfortable. Yeah, I know, you can select to view without frames. But then I have to do that every time I enter the site. How about letting those who like the frames click to enable them? IMHO, the bulletin board was the one part of the site that didn't need any refurbishing. Lynn | |
| ink | |
| 6/22/2000: Jeff Kantor | |
| I just acquired a Cross fountain pen and would appreciate knowing if any other brand of ink cartridge would work in this pen. Thanks. | |
| Penlovers New Look | |
| 6/22/2000: Penlovers | |
| Hi Everyone, Penlovers has a new look this morning, hope you enjoy it. I know that there are still some navigation issues surrounding the bulletin board. These will be worked out as soon as possible. To re-bookmark the bulletin board follow these steps: First highlight the URL "http://www.PenLovers.net/bbframe.htm" in your browsers address bar. Usually just clicking on it will do this for you. Second click on “Favorites” in your tool bar and select “Add” or “Add to Favorites” And finally rename the bookmark if you’d like ( the default name is “PenLovers Bulletin Board”) , select the folder to put it in, click “OK” and your done. These instructions are for MS Internet Explorer Netscape Navigator or Communicator is very close to the same except that instead of being called “Favorites” they’re call “Bookmarks”. I’ll place a button on the bulletin board page that will have these directions later today or tonight. Again hope you enjoy the site, more new content coming soon. Dean Tweeddale |
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| 21 nibs | |
| 6/21/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| You could buy a complete 21, in fact several 21s for the price of a 21 nib. There was never a 21 stub or italic, only XF, F, M and B, although some (not all) 51 nibs will fit some (not all) 21s. Bottom line is most 21s sell for an average of $10 or so at pen shows. Occasionally a bit higher, and not unsuual to find em for $5 or less even. Only a mint, or odd model 21 would ever bring more than $15 at a show. The average cost to have a 21 nib changed could easily be $50. I doubt anyone will sell you a 21 nib cheaper than then you could buy a complete working 21 for. Its not all that hard to change a 21 nib, (Hey--buy your own copy of Da Book you cheapskate! LOL Let your brother keep his.), but its seldom worth it. Most collectors/dealers won't bother since its such a common low cost pen. That being said the later Super 21s are as good writers as 51s and the nibs change the same way. Earlier standard 21 use a far cheaper/weaker conventional steel nib and comb fed that could be changed by removing shell and sliding nib/feed out the barrel end of section. But again its usually not worth the effort, certainally easier to get another pen, or at least a complete section/filler/nib and screw it into the barrel and cap you have. Again be careful of variations as there are many in 21 and super 21s and even in each of those series that will allow or not allow various parts to be changed. Frank | |
| Retipping | |
| 6/21/2000: Matthew Donadio | |
| I think I should have been a bit clearer in my original post. The pen in question is an Osmia 66. This particular one is a wartime model with a steel nib and trim. The nib is the correct size for the pen, and the size/style match the imprint on the pen (oblique broad in this case). For whatever reason, Osmia's tend to be lower prices pens, though they are uncommon in the US. This is the dilema; while it is a low priced pen, I doubt that I will find a replacement nib. I may find one at the DC show, and I have someone checking in Germany for me. We'll see. If anything, the pen is a nice piece in my collection. | |
| Conklin Info | |
| 6/21/2000: Bill Valentine | |
| Greetings! Does anyone know if there is any information online that could help me I.D. a Conklin. Thank you, Bill | |
| Parker 21 repair | |
| 6/21/2000: David Ranson | |
| I need to find a replacement nib for a Parker 21 I was recently given. My call to the Parker Repair Service met with no success. I would prefer to find an italic or an oblique nib if they're available. I'd settle for a medium though. Can anyone suggest a source or offer any guidance? As well, if I can get hold of a replacement nib, is it a repair that can easily be done by a neophyte? (I'm still waiting for my brother's copy of Da Book to arrive or I'd look this up!) Thanks for any assistance you can provide. | |
| Retipping/Leads | |
| 6/21/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| As Lynn says it is far cheaper to buy a replacement nib in probably 90% of all pens ever made. (Actually its often far cheaper to buy a complete pen than just a nib at a show.) Services offered by John and others should really be used for expensive nibs such as Patricians, Waterman 8s and 10s, Parker Giants, etc. or for custom stubs and such. But some folks will send in even the cheapest of nibs. Its their money. A friend of mine works in a electronics store and they still get folks bringing in 1950s tube style AM radios for repair. The common type found at fleas for $1 to $5. (Not collectible radios of value.) Many folks will pay $50 or more for a repair. So it is with pens, if the value is in the sentiment or the owner simply wants the pen fixed no matter cost vs. value--go for it. But the average steel nib pen of the 30s and 40s will not be worth more than $10 even after a $50 retipped steel nib is installed. As for so called "thick" leads--they are everywhere, even Staples and Awfus Max--you simply have to look for 1.1 mm leads, also called .046 leads. Frank | |
| pencils | |
| 6/21/2000: Randy Holste | |
| Does anyone have a resource for the fat leads used in 1930's mechanical pencils. I have an old Wearever than needs lead...soft lead is better. Thnks | |
| pencils | |
| 6/21/2000: Randy Holste | |
| Does anyone have a resource for the fat leads used in 1930's mechanical pencils. I have an old Wearever than needs lead...soft lead is better. Thnks | |
| Retipping | |
| 6/21/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| Given the cost of a professional retipping job, the only nib I would ever consider retipping would be a large nib from a major company. Retipping a steel nib? If it has enough sentimental value that one wants to spend $50 to fix a $1 nib then fine. Keep in mind the very important fact that a pen with a bad nib does not require THAT nib to be fixed in order to restore the pen. Most correct nibs for most pens are available for far less than a good retipping job. And we recently had a discussion about using the "wrong" nib at a deep discount if it's just for a user pen. Lynn | |
| Retipping Poll | |
| 6/21/2000: Matthew Donadio | |
| Hi all, I wanted to poll everyone about something. A little while ago I received an uncommon, yet low valued pen. It's in good condition, but the iridium is gone from one of the tines. There is just about zero chance that I could get a replacement nib. How many of you would get the pin retipped, even though the cost of retipping will be more that the cost of the pen? Also, how many of you would get a wartime steel nib retipped? | |
| Omas Mezzo Vermeil Paragon - 51% off! | |
| 6/21/2000: JiaXian | |
| Hi, Earlier I sold this, but the customer, due to unfortunate circumstances, is no longer able to purchase the pen. The Omas Paragon in beautiful Arco celluloid with a mirror finished vermeil (goldplated .925 sterling) cap. This is the largest sized Omas fountain pen. Nib is 18 ct. gold with platinum decoration in fine size. Pen is mint, unused in box with papers. Retail is US$995, I'm offering list members ONE piece at US$489 only. First firm email confirming purchase gets it. Regards, JiaXian | |
| Aqua Pen | |
| 6/20/2000: David Less | |
| Thanks Frank for the info on Aqua Pens. David | |
| Nibs | |
| 6/20/2000: Allan Fuld | |
| I have five Waterson Pens that are in need of nibs. These pens were cheaply made, and the original nibs have rusted out. Anybody out there have any nibs, or are in the market for some nibless Watersons? | |
| Pictures no on but links should be OK | |
| 6/20/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| I agree that the board should not have pictures even if that is possible under the current format. However, I see no reason why links should not be permitted. That surely will not take up too much of the Board's resources. You can ignore the links if you are not interested. | |
| Ain't Broke - Don't Fix It | |
| 6/20/2000: Will Thorpe | |
| I prefer the board to remain as is. Please no links, no pictures. The beauty of this board is the simpicity and that's why it's the best. | |
| This Board | |
| 6/20/2000: Michael AuYeung | |
| I think Penlovers should be text based, image and HTML free, for ease of use. Even as text, by the end of the month, this page gets large enough to take forever and a day to load on a 56K link. Pictures would pretty much restrict it the home of penfolk that have Ethernet and DSL access, cause I certainly ain't gonna sit and wait for hours to get my fix o' pen news ( :) ) But how about a for sale page for ads? :) | |
| Pensplanet.com | |
| 6/20/2000: bradley williamson | |
| Hello. I've found a good selection and good prices on new Parker fountain pens through a site in Malasia called Pensplanet.com. With so many fake luxury goods out there, can anyone be certain of what we're getting? Has anyone dealt with this company or can comment on the subject of brand/quality assurance generally? Thank you very much. | |
| my two cents: the board, MB... | |
| 6/20/2000: Ansel Olson | |
| As a visual communications designer, I have to agree with Frank, keep the board simple. This is a place for people to talk, and the simple design encourages that, anything else will almost always be a distraction. (I'm staying out of the MB discussion, but I will note that so far I've chosen not to own any.) | |
| MB "service" and this board | |
| 6/20/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| Almost anyone paying for a MB and paying their price for repairs will receive "good" service. However outside of adjustment to suite an owner's desire the only good service is no service needed. A well made pen should last 20 to 50 years with no repair ever. Far too many people are happy to return a MB again and again year after year, pay their repair price and say they had "good" service. The really good service is pens made by other companies that don't break anywhere near as often! MB pens are literally designed to break on an average of at least once every 3 years, assuming the pen is used on a regular daily basis. This is deliberate design. The ballpoint in fact MUST eventually crack due to its own twisting cap that strees the resin. Its been confirmed to me by no less than 3 MB reps who have been to the factory in Germany. Obviously I can't give names as they spoke "off the record." The MB attitude is a new car buyer buys every three years and so should a MB buyer. Its a successful design that nets MB millions in profit. But I submit its not a good design from an owner's viewpoint and obviously not the good service that other companies provide by making many pens that may literally last the owner's lifetime without ever needing any service at all. ...As for this board--I hope it is kept simple. Very simple. The simple design of the Penlovers board is what has always attracted me. Every other pen board on the net is too complex and slow for me to enjoy it. Hot links, ads, multi colors, banners, frames, any images at all-- they are a needless distraction and waste of screen space IMHO. Images, as Lynn said are best simply posted via a link in a regular post. I just want to read posts. Anything else will greatly slow down the board and make it less enjoyable for those with slow computers or modems. Its the reason I only post here and on the simple text alt.pen. newsgroup, where one can set the newsreader for simple cronological order of text posts with no other distractions. But even there one must "click" on a post to read it, so Penlovers as it now stands is even better with no clicks needed to use it. Frank | |
| Images | |
| 6/20/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| I never allowed any html code on the board other than what I chose to put there myself. Such code could either be a hotlink that one would click on to be taken to another page or code that would launch an image or something right in the post. I'm not suggesting that Dean do the latter with the Duofold image because it would slow down the board loading time. But it would be simple for Dean to place the picture on the server and give it an address like PenLovers.net/duofold.jpg. Post that address (with or without a hotlink) and we can all go look if we want. I would never advocate this for items for sale or for anything other than rare times when an available image would add to the discussion and be a service to the readership. | |
| David's Duofold and Mont Blancs | |
| 6/20/2000: Penlovers | |
| Typically we don't post images related to the Bulletin Board Discussion.
However we allow links to your images to be posted. However I'm certainly willing to
entertain the idea of having the ability to post images for all to see. Sometimes this
could and would add to the discussion in a positive way. Give me your thoughts/feedback
whether this would be worthwhile to do, and I'll check into the logistics of doing it. As to the subject of Montblanc pens I try to stay away from it. I’ve seen and experienced the issues from both sides, and being that I own the entire Writers Series ( someday they will be sold ), I try not to voice an opinion on either side of the issue. Being that I have some background in Sales and Marketing I have to applaud the MB Marketing team for the image they have created. This does not necessarily make a good or great pen though. I have several MB’s that I use and enjoy. Some have gone back to MB for adjustment or repair, however I’ve always received top notch service from MB, never had a problem with it. But for that matter I’ve never had bad service from any pen manufacture that I’ve dealt with. I do treat them in a pleasant professional manor and am never condescending towards them or their products. Maybe what goes around comes around. I find that a nicely adjusted new pen writes just as well as my vintage Parker’s, Sheaffer’s, Pelikan’s, etc., but they have to be adjusted also. I do have a near mint vintage oversized Sheaffer Balance that I had re-tipped that writes like a dream. So in conclusion I’d say buy or write with what you like, don’t put others down for what they like, and if you’ve bought or received a pen that you done like either for collection purpose or writing sell it so that it doesn’t clutter your mind. Sorry for being so long winded, please do give me feedback regarding images either on this board or by email. Dean |
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| Aqua pen | |
| 6/20/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| The Aqua pen is one of many writes with water pens, far cheaper in design than most. Made in the mid to late 40s. I've had dozens of them new in the box over the years. Frank | |
| MB pen site--correction | |
| 6/20/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| Sorry the correct link for the MB pen board is http://www.clearsail.net/~forrest/ | |
| DUOFOLD and EMPEX | |
| 6/20/2000: David Less | |
| Thanks for all the input on the Duofold. Anyone know what an EMPEX AQUA-PEN is. You fill it with water and it writes with ink. Made by Rohill of New York. I am trying to find its date of manufacture. It has the name UNIVERSAL on the clip. David | |
| Mont Blanc | |
| 6/20/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| As for the terrible quality of MB pens in recent years I again offer this web site. I have nothing to do with it--but its worth a look for anyone considering a MB pen made in the last 25 or so years. www.clearsail.net/~forest The site has recently been expanded and upgraded. Frank | |
| Duofold--no big deal | |
| 6/20/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| IMHO there is little doubt the top on the Duofold is simply a part that happened to fit from another pen that someone put in at some point along the years. Anyone can create pens like this with a good sized box of junker pens. FD | |
| David's Duofold and Mont Blancs | |
| 6/20/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| C'mon Dean, post the pic so we can all see it. (Notice how now that I'm on the other side of the fence I've become a demanding customer?). Another advantage of being over here is I can say whatever I want (as if I didn't before, right?). Here's my two cents: Vintage Mont Blancs are interesting pens, worthy of collector interest. But somewhere a few decades ago, there was a decision to capitalize on the name and perceived value and disinvest from real quality. MBs are the most overpriced pen in the world. No-one gets anything but grief from their customer service. One with a problem should be taken to someone who works on pens in general. If it's fixable fine, if not don't throw good money after bad, trash it and don't buy another. If you want a large, piston-filling German pen, get a Pelikan. | |
| Leaky Mont Blanc | |
| 6/20/2000: Yawpkahrma | |
| About four years ago I traded in one leaking Mont Blanc fountain pen for another Mont Blanc. It leaks too. I have done nothing about it for some time because trying to trade in the first was a disheartening experience as the interaction I had with Mont Blanc was not pleasant. It seems the company has a we-never-make-a-mistake attitude. Was this experience unique or commonplace for dealing with Mont Blanc? Any suggestions on how to best repair the pen? Thank you all sincerely for reading this. | |
| David's Duofold | |
| 6/20/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| David, I think the top is a replacement. I have come across many pens with tops like this one, especially UK pens. | |
| DUOFOLD | |
| 6/19/2000: David Less | |
| Thanks Stephen, The odd Duofold Clip Cap can be seen on my web site; http://www3.telus.net/dosher/DUOFOLD.JPG David. | |
| David's Duofold | |
| 6/19/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| One way to do it is to upload your pen's picture onto your webspace and then post the link in Penlover. That way, anyone interested will be able to take a look and then comment. | |
| DUOFOLD | |
| 6/19/2000: David Less | |
| I sent a photograph of the Duofold with the odd clip cap to Penlovers as suggested by Lynn but have had no feedback. Maybe the Email with the attached picture did not get through. Any suggestions on how I can get a photograph to Penlovers that others more knowledgeable than I am can view. Any help appreciated. David Less | |
| OMAS Ercolessi | |
| 6/19/2000: Will Thorpe | |
| Would appeciate any advice and or comments on the Ercolessi. I like the style, believe it has a 14KT nib medium nib. Anybody bought one and regret it? Post here or email me. Thanks. | |
| Aiken Lambert Nib | |
| 6/19/2000: Richard Lott | |
| Anybody know if Aiken Lambert make pens with nibs marked, "REMEX N.Y."? Richard | |
| 6/19/2000: Michael | |
| I'm looking for a matte black, Mont Blanc Noblesse plunger-type pencil. Solid clip w/MB logo on tip, "rose" gold accent color. Let me know. Mike | |
| WE OFFER "FILLINK" BRAND PLASTIC REFILL ASSEMBLING MACHINE TO PLASTIC BALLPOINT PEN REFILL MANUFACTURERS. | |
| 6/19/2000: PRATIK INTERNATIONAL | |
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| Bexleys | |
| 6/18/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| Both Bexleys are sold. Thanks to all who inquired. I'll be posting some other pens for sale over the coming weeks. Lynn | |
| waterson's improved | |
| 6/18/2000: h. a. kantrud | |
| i picked up a box of old pens the other day and one of them was a
'waterson't improved non-leakable fountain pen.' funny little eyedropper complete with red
box and directions printed on the bottom. 'list' price at the time was 2 bucks |
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| Pelletier fountain pen | |
| 6/18/2000: David V. Cohn | |
| Does anyone have information on Pelletier fountain pens? Is Pelletier an established company? Thanks. | |
| Sheaffer Legacy Fountain Pen Cap | |
| 6/17/2000: Rusty Dastur | |
| Where can I buy a legacy fountain pen gold cap? | |
| Penna Magazine | |
| 6/17/2000: Sam - Pendemonium | |
| Inky Greetings! We have available the two latest issues of the Italian pen collectors magazine, PENNA. Bi-lingual Italian-English text, great full color photographs with a mix of modern and vintage pen information. More focus on modern than vintage, but the vintage articles are quite in depth and appear to be well researched. 1. PENNA, No. 37, March-April 2000. Anatomy of a Pen, New Arrivals, Interview, Events, The Inside Story, Pen Shops, Curiosities for Collectors(the Welcome Pen, OMAS?) and Graphoanalysis. 2. PENNA, No. 38, May-June 2000. New Arrivals, Pen SHops, Events, Not Only Pens, Interview, Curiosities for Collectors(more on OMAS & the Welcome pen), Culture nd Writing, Graphoanalysis. All around good info and photographs, rather enjoyable to read a magazine from an Italian collecting perspective. Each issue is $12, shipping via priority mail is $4 for one or both issues. Limited supplies available, first come - first serve! Please email to reserve - sam@pendemonium.com Ciao! Sam |
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| nibs | |
| 6/16/2000: Doug Remington | |
| Dear friends, I'm looking to buy a quanity nibs to restore old celluloid pens. I'd rather have irradium or stainless steel nibs. Please advise. Thanks doug | |
| mb fs | |
| 6/16/2000: h. alan kantrud | |
| i am pleased to offer the list a chance at a pair of nice mb's.
regrettably a fp is not included herein, but a nice rb and bp are. the set is in excellent
condition and packaged in their individual boxes. they are mb 163's and were purchased new
in 1989 at fahrney's in maryland. the warranty card and product booklet are included. best
offer over a hundred dollar bill for the pair. will separate if desired but would like to
let them stay together. thanks. i'll pick up shipping unless you live at the north pole |
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| Bexley Collectors | |
| 6/16/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| I have two rare Bexley cabletwists that I'm going to part with (on the e-place if need be!). One is white. Only 30 of these were made. Original Minka nib, button filler, box. The other is a type one (few have ever seen these) in black. Two of these were made, the other is in the Bexley archives. These are $300 each. | |
| New Pelikan M200 Clear Demo LE | |
| 6/16/2000: JiaXian | |
| Hi, I can offer the new Pelikan M200 demo LE, the latest LE from Pelikan.
It's in the M200 size, with a smooth goldplated nib. I believe only 2000 pieces were made.
Mint in box with papers. Choice of F, M or B nibs. You can own one of these rare pieces
for only US$199 plus shipping. I have a very limited inventory, so email to reserve one
quickly. All my broads nibs have been sold out. Most probably I'll not be able to obtain
more, so hurry and reserve one. Scans: http://images.honesty.com/cgi-bin/honesty-image.cgi?image=7439498 http://images.honesty.com/cgi-bin/honesty-image.cgi?image=7439496 Regards, JiaXian |
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| Waterman | |
| 6/15/2000: Barry | |
| I am looking for a Waterman Night and Day Sterling Silver Roller Ball Pen. If you know where I can obtain one either new or ussed please advise by return e-mail. Thanks. | |
| Loose 100 Yr clips. | |
| 6/15/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| There are various ways to tighten clips on 100 yr pens. However, there are also several different clip styles and most styles may have been originally attached at the factory different ways such as rivited, bolted, or crimpted. Therefore there is no easy answer as it will vary depending on what you have. At any rate all styles are illustrated in Da Book, along with directions for repair. In most cases its quite easy, either by tightening the original attachment method, or even easier by the use of super glue--but only by following the illustrated instructions in Da Book carefully to avoid problems and also to insure strength of the repair. Frank | |
| Hundred year & Sheffield | |
| 6/15/2000: Cesare Susanna | |
| Only two words for asking an help on the following: 1. Waterman Hundred Year. I have an oversize 100 yr with the clip a little loose: who could suggest how to thighten it without having the risk to crack the had of the cap? 2. Sheffield: this is the imprunt on the barrel of a very nice green marbelized fountain pen probably of '30s - '40s: I was unable to find anything on this manufacturer on usual books; someone knows something on it? Many thanks, Cesare. | |
| Penlovers Alert!! | |
| 6/15/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Hi Fellow PenLovers This is a second notice about bookmarking the PenLovers site and Bulletin Board. If you have bookmarked this bulletin board page to your favorites you may experience a file not found error in the next few days. This can be avoided by going to the Penlovers homepage (www.PenLovers.net) and bookmarking it. Then when the new bulletin board page is up and running you can re-bookmark it. You will still be able to bookmark the bulletin board and come straight to it but the file name and page name will have changed so your old or existing bookmark will not work. The homepage bookmark will not change so it is a safe bookmark to keep. This change will happen over the next several days and maybe into the upcoming weekend. Any questions please email me and I'll do my best to help you. Dean |
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| FS Camelot by Visconti for US$580 only | |
| 6/15/2000: Chris Leung | |
| Blowout price! Brand new in box, Camelot fountain pen by Visconti for US$580 only | |
| Waterman 56 | |
| 6/14/2000: Robert Sachs | |
| I need a cap ring for a Waterman Woodgrain 56. If you have one you'd like to sell or if you have an idea of where I could get one, please let me know. Thanks to all. Bob | |
| 1928 Parker Duofold Airplane replica | |
| 6/14/2000: Len Provisor | |
| This is a first in a series of authentic detailed vintage Parker Pen Co. corporate aircraft. Own a piece of Parker history. Exact replica model made from original model blueprints and Parker family photo archives. 18" wingspan, all hardwood construction, 30 coats of paint, accurate signage decoration, silver spinning prop...best of all the base will be personally signed by Geoffrey S. Parker, great-grandson of George S. Parker. Very limited production by subscription orders only up to the end of this year. This means no mass production. You will have a true very limited production model, perhaps less than 200 world-wide. Price: $ 250. ea. + freight, FOB Illinois, USA Four or more $ 200. ea. One year guarantee. Packed safe for international shipping.First delivery approx. Aug/Sept. Final production delivery approx Feb.,2001. E-mail for model image and vintage photo scans. Len Provisor Provisor Promotions, Inc. provisorpro@earthlink.net Phone: 847.566.3400 VISA MASTER CARD AMERICAN EXPRESS PAYPAL.COM PERSONAL CHECKS (USA only) | |
| Omas Mezzo Vermeil Paragon - 51% off! | |
| 6/14/2000: JiaXian | |
| Hi, The Omas Paragon in beautiful Arco celluloid with a mirror finished vermeil (goldplated .925 sterling) cap. This is the largest sized Omas fountain pen. Nib is 18 ct. gold with platinum decoration in fine size. Pen is mint, unused in box with papers. Retail is US$995, I'm offering ONE piece at US$489 only. First firm email confirming purchase gets it. Regards, JiaXian | |
| Diplomat | |
| 6/14/2000: Ed Mosher | |
| Does anyone know where I can get a refill #609 for a diplomat roller ball? | |
| Info | |
| 6/14/2000: Paul | |
| I am not a pen collector but I have a Garland pen made for the 66th Academy Awards in - Oscars. Never used. Please would anyone let me know what its worth? Thank you for your help. Pavel | |
| Super Prices on Pelikan | |
| 6/14/2000: S. Schube | |
| A few Pelikans at super prices e mail for list drmwvr@iquest.net | |
| Paul Duclous pens | |
| 6/14/2000: Edwin Escalet | |
| Any comments or information on his pen creations? | |
| just arrived new pens | |
| 6/14/2000: Allen Gross | |
| I just received the new Visconti Millenium Arc three piece sets. These have very low numbers and have a list price of 1185.00. Each comes with three fountain pens, portable inkwell and beautiful disply case. Also received Visconti Manhattan fountain pens in red and in green which have been soldout for quite sometime. Also the new Delta transluscent 366 fountain pens. Price upon request, email or call 215-654-1555, thanks Allen | |
| WTB: Vac Cap | |
| 6/14/2000: W. Brian Miller | |
| I am looking for a Vac Cap to fit an Oversized vac in Brown Stripes. I need a 3 banded model. A small cap lip crack would be acceptable if not chipped or heavly brassed. TIA, Brian | |
| Penlovers Alert!! | |
| 6/14/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Hi Fellow PenLovers This is a heads up notice. If you bookmark this bulletin board page to your favorites you may experience a file not found error in the next few days. This can be avoided by going to the Penlovers homepage (www.PenLovers.net) and bookmarking it. Then when the new bulletin board page is up and running you can re-bookmark it. You will still be able to bookmark the bulletin board and come straight to it but the file name/page name will have changed so your old or existing bookmark will not work. The homepage bookmark will not change so it is a safe bookmark to keep. This change will happen over the next several days and maybe into the upcoming weekend. Any questions please email me and I'll do my best to help you. Dean |
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| FS Pelican Hunting and Golden Phoenix | |
| 6/14/2000: Chris Leung | |
| Hunting US$650 Golden Phoenix US$1450 | |
| A Flex Pen Model? Nooooo.... | |
| 6/13/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| There is no such thing as a flex pen model--you want a flex nib. That can be in almost any pen made before the 1950s by almost any company. On the other hand there is NO pen ever made that came with a flex nib as the standard or only nib offered. So you simply have to look or ask for a extra flex nib. Forget pen models and companies, although some companies offered more flex nibs than others. I can think of no major company that didn't offer at least some extra flex nibs. A Waterman 52 for example could be had with the hardest of firm nibs, as firm and solid as any pen nib ever made, or a super extra flex wet noodle nib, or any of dozens of grades in between. There is no number, or other ID execpt to ask for or examine whatever nib is in the pen. Same goes for all quality pen companies. Frank | |
| re: Nib Headaches | |
| 6/13/2000: Michael | |
| Looking for a nib style (in your case - flex) is not the same as looking for a specific pen brand or model. True enough, some makers (Waterman and Wahl, to name just two) tended to have more flex nibs than some other makers (like Parker and Sheaffer's), but there's no hard and fast rule that pen A will always have a flex nib (or a manifold nib, or a stub nib). It may well be better to find a pen you like, and ignore the nib that's in it, and then search for a proper nib that meets yur needs to fit it. Several dealers offer nibs and will even set them for you if you wish. (Taking the cue from the "beaters" discussion, below) You might even consider putting manufacturer A's wonderful flexy nib in manufacturer B's pen and have your cake while eating it! Bon chance! ~Michael~ | |
| Pens FS | |
| 6/13/2000: Darrell K. Sanders | |
| Shiping is on me as usual. 1- NEW and unused, Sheaffer Targa set,
fountain pen and ball pen, black lacque, 14k nib, very nice looking set, boxed. $85 2-
Gently used Waterman Gentleman, 18k EF nib, maroon, very, very tiny chip in cap (don't
want to use "ding" here, < |
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| Nib confusion headache | |
| 6/13/2000: Byron Hinton | |
| I am really confused about my search for a specific pen. I am looking for a pen that has a superflex fine nib. I guess I am confused about specific models that I should be looking for. It need not be mint, but I would use often, and I would prefer(although it is not mandatory) that it would be a full size pen. I have heard about Waterman 52, Waterman 452, Waterman V, Conklin Enduras, some Wahls, and Spencerian pens. Could the experts here, Lynn, Frank, etc. please give me some direction on models to go after? I will say that I would be willing to invest several hundred dollars for a good choice. I REALLY appreciate your help. Byron | |
| Houston Show--Correction | |
| 6/13/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| The table fees I gave for Atlanta are for the next, 2001 show in March, not for the 2000 show. FD | |
| Houston Show | |
| 6/13/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| Last year Houston was combined with the Inkwell Collectors Society show, therefore had to be larger. I agree Houston is sliding but I think its an example of show expenses out of control, (table fees of $125 for a small table, too far from airport, etc) than the internet. Not all shows are going downhill, many are as larger or growing larger. But shows that demand over $100 for a table and $50 cab fees each way from airports are being passed on by many collectors. This is esp hurting vintage collectors who may not have a single pen in the multi hundred dollar range, never mind thousands. In many cases shows want $125 for the first table and as little as 60 for the next (Atlanta 2000). This is, IMHO, highly discriminating against vintage collectors while offering a good deal for retailers with new pens. If a second table can be sold for 60bucks so can the first! IMHO some shows have become out of control and as attendance drops they simply raise fees, rather than doing anything to attract more dealers and collectors. At least $25 of the table fee at Houston was for a sit down lunch than most dealers had to skip or wolf down so fast there was no taste in order to get back to the show. Running an outside sit down lunch during a show is not apreciated by many dealers, except perhaps those with helpers who can watch the table while the other eats. The vintage collectors with only 100 or far less pens to sell, at an average price of well under $100 each is being priced out of many shows. This is a shame, and it appears some show hosts either are unaware of this, or simply don't care. I did fine at Houston. Its always a friendly show and the hosts are fine gentlemen. But these are the facts as I see them. The entire stock of a vintage collector may well be under $1000, even under $500 at a show. To ask these collectors to pay $225 just to get a table and a cab (nevermind hotel room rates and air fare), is a bit much. I'm not saying vintage collectors should get tables cheaper, but the wide variance between the first and second table of $125 vs 60 clearly illustrates the problem. A new pen retailer may bring over $100,000 in stock and may buy 4 or more tables. Since most show promoters are vintage pen collectors its ashame they don't appear to realize who they are hurting most. Frank | |
| Houston Pen Show | |
| 6/13/2000: Allen Gross | |
| I'm sorry to say that the show was a sad example of it's former self. Attendance as well as sales on Friday and Saturday were almost non existant, while Sunday only drew about 250 people. About 15 to 20 dealers attended and most dealers like myself that flew to the show didn't cover expenses, let alone show a profit. It's really sad when you take into account that last years show was twice the size. I'm sure we could all come up with various reasons, but the truth is that ALL the shows are down from last year and will probably continue to be so until the show coordinators start to open their doors to the public on both days instead of just Sunday. It really upsets me when I see these shows going downhill, but fighting the internet websites and auctions is a real uphill battle that pen shows can't win . | |
| Houston Show??? | |
| 6/13/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Any reports from the Houston Show? I didn't get to go but would like to hear how it went. Dean | |
| FS | |
| 6/13/2000: Mark | |
| Offered for sale the following: 1)Stainless Steel Montblanc 146, SRP $675, MIB, Fine nib. 2)Lamy 2000 Black, E/F nib, inked once, like new. 3)Nikolai 2 pen case for, fits Pelikan 1000, like new. Best reasonable offers. TIA, Mark | |
| DUOFOLD | |
| 6/13/2000: David | |
| I have tried to scan the Duofold pen cap but it does not show the top of the cap too well. I will try to get it photographed in a day or so and Email a picture of the set to the Penlovers Site. I assume I just Email the picture by opening "Contact Penlovers". Thanks for all the help. David. | |
| Beaters as Users | |
| 6/13/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| Because of the oddities of the market, there are some great deals out there on user pens if you don't care about it being correct. Don already alluded to one. Because Waterman 100 Yr pens are so prone to disintegration at the ends, you see more of these nibs than the pens to put them in. Therefore, a nice large 100yr nib will sell for much less than comparable big nibs. These can be fitted to other pens where the correct nib alone might be too costly and you have a great user pen (nevermind that crack you need a 10x loupe to see) with a great nib at a low price. | |
| re: Beater pens as users | |
| 6/13/2000: Waco Johnny D | |
| One of my favorites is a highly-discolored Streamline Duofold I bought at a recent show. The trim is brassed, one of the trim rings is missing and the others are loose, the barrel is cracked badly at the section/thread end, and the HR blind cap and cap top are all browned. It would have been a great user except the nib was cracked at the base and the tip was rough. Well, off went the nib to Mottishaw for a crack repair and conversion to medium stub. When the nib came back I replaced the sac and I shellacked the section into the cracked barrel (no other way to secure it tightly); I know if/when I need to disassemble the pen the barrel will be trash for good, but so what? The pen is now one of the best writers I own and the repair job has even survived about a half-dozen falls off horseback. I'll take the thing anywhere. | |
| M200 demo Images here | |
| 6/13/2000: JiaXian | |
| Hi, I was informed that the links previously provided do not work. Here
are the links for the images of the M200 clear demo LE. I apologise for any inconvienience
caused. http://images.honesty.com/cgi-bin/honesty-image.cgi?image=7439498 http://images.honesty.com/cgi-bin/honesty-image.cgi?image=7439496 Regards, JiaXian |
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| Beater pens as users | |
| 6/13/2000: Donald Lavin | |
| Lynn made a wonderful observation about using a Doric with a cracked cap or other damage as a daily user rather than perfect collector examples. At the recently concluded pen show in Chicago, Fountain Pen Hospital of New York conducted a parts blowout with bags of parts for sale at $100 each. I bought a number of bags without being able to inspect each piece. After the show I checked out each bag and to my delight I discovered that a mid-40's Waterman with a broken barrel end (disintegrated) had a fantastic large Waterman stub nib with some flex. It is such a pleasure to write with that I now carry it with me every day. I could place that nib in a perfect Waterman 100 or Emblem pen but why would I? So that I could drop it or have it fall out of my pocket and become damaged? No way - I love it just the way it is. And in Chicago, a dealer offered me an oversize Doric in black for only $150.00 because it had teeth marks. Gee, what a shame - so now I can also use it daily without worrying about it. Don | |
| Wahl Dorics/Adjustible nibs | |
| 6/13/2000: Donald Lavin | |
| I just read the previous posts on flexible nibs and thought I would add my $0.02 as a long time Wahl collector. I love adjustible nibs and I believe that they do work. If the nib is cleaned from time to time the slide will work well. I also contend that there is no perfect nib as each time I write my mood is different and sometimes I like flex and sometimes I like to write with a more rigid nib - so the adjustment is great to have available so that it can be set to suit my particular needs that day. As for buying an oversize Wahl with an adjustible nib, keep in mind that the early Wahl Dorics were featured with the Deco band era nibs. The adj. nibs came a bit later and are most often associated with the mid-30's style of Doric. An oversize Doric with roller clip may have a #10 adj. nib. These were probably made or fitted out towards the mid 30's. As the Dorics had screw in nibs one could buy the color they like and install different nibs as Lynn pointed out. And large adjustible nibs are available for sale at pen shows from time to time. Just recently I bought another #10 adj. nib at a show so I can attest to their occasional availability. Don Lavin | |
| Looking for Delta Venezia Silver FP | |
| 6/13/2000: Ken Jones | |
| I've been trying to find a Delta Venezia silver FP to buy. So far no luck. Any retailer I've contacted has said, "Sorry, sold out". Anyone know of one for sale? I'd appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks, Ken. | |
| New Pelikan M200 demo LE | |
| 6/12/2000: JiaXian | |
| Hi, I can offer the new Pelikan M200 demo LE, the latest LE from Pelikan.
It's in the M200 size, with a smooth goldplated nib. I believe only 2000 pieces were made.
Mint in box with papers. Choice of F, M or B nibs. You can own one of these rare pieces
for only US$199 plus shipping. I have a very limited inventory, so email to reserve one
quickly. Scans: http://files.driveway.com/download/vapp02-15ba3a500c1384a4/27448137/m200demo.jpg http://files.driveway.com/download/vapp02-15ba3a500c1384a4/27448140/m200demo2.jpg Regards, JiaXian |
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| AE Green Marble Duofold | |
| 6/12/2000: Bob Pugh | |
| How is this for sad: When they were offered in your amex bill (for $99), I purchased one for my father and one for me. Dad still has his, while I lost mine on a plane trip. The design was incredibly ergonomic.....Just an all around excellent pen for daily use. | |
| AE Green Marble Duofold | |
| 6/12/2000: Lee Chait | |
| This was the fourth color of the return of the Duofolds. In 1987-88 the Duofold returned with the black; marbled maroon and marbled blue for the 100th anniversary of Parker. AE had the green but I'm not sure that they came out with the green during the first year. The ballpoints were the cap actuated type for the first year or so and are rarer than the FP's. Even rarer is the matching pencil also a cap actutated type. I'm not sure how many of the green BP's if any are out there as I do not recall seeing any. Shortly after the first year the bands were changed from the flat bands and the clip was allegedly strentghened on the FP's. | |
| Duofold | |
| 6/12/2000: Pearce Jarvis | |
| I noticed the messages coming back and forth about this duofold pen, and I may have an idea of what it is. I was looking in a book a few days ago and came across a parker pen/pencil combo. It looked very similar to a duofold although it cap up to more of a point then a regular duofold. You may have a version of this but with the pen and pencil set, and not the combo. And to any other penlovers their have been some pens sold from the list below. These are the parker duofold Sr. in black and pearl, and the parker duofold Sr. in sea green. I am also very close to selling a weird parker 51 that has an rare cap band that has groves in it. Take a look at my listing from June 7th. THANKS!! | |
| Help! | |
| 6/12/2000: Foy Haywood | |
| On Microsoft Internet Explorer. The window reads: Web page unavailable off line. How can I delete this window? | |
| Parker green marble duofold ballpoint | |
| 6/12/2000: Bob Pugh | |
| Does anyone know of a green marble duofold click ballpoint pen made by Parker for sale? It was sold through American Express. Any help is appreciated, thank-you. | |
| Duofold | |
| 6/12/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| I suggest that David email a pic of this set to PenLovers and it can be put on the site so we can all get a look. I still can't visualize the top of the pen although the pencil sounds typical. | |
| Wanted: Cross Metropolitan Fountain Pen | |
| 6/12/2000: Luke Serpa | |
| I am looking for a chrome and black Cross Metropolis fountain pen that is no longer in production. Please contact me if you have one for sale. Thanks. | |
| DUOFOLD | |
| 6/12/2000: David Less | |
| I should add that I bought the pen at an estate sale and was told that the pen was purchased in Holland many years ago. The top of the pencil is very slightly tapered and is only 1/8th. of an inch high. The set was made in Canada. I can Email a scan of the set, if anyone is interested. Thanks for the help. David. | |
| Duofold | |
| 6/12/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| What caught my eye about the further description of this pen is that th cap comes to a point at the top. A streamline tapers but does not come to a point. Sounds to me like non-Parker replacement parts were used. | |
| David's Duofold | |
| 6/12/2000: Stephen | |
| If the accompanying pencil is that of a streamlined Sr variety and if the cap top takes the same shape as that of the pen, then we may be looking at something special. However, if the pencil top is "normal" but the pen's is unusually long, it is possible that the inner cap might have been replaced. An inner cap, like the clip, is probably the easiest part to substitute. I wouln't get too excited about this pen unless the matching pencil matches it in every respect. Another way to test this theory is to remove the inner cap and compare it with another Parker Duofold inner cap. You may then be able to tell whether you are looking at a Parker variation or just a handy replacement from the parts bin. | |
| Wanted: Pelikan Expo 2000 Technology | |
| 6/12/2000: JiaXian | |
| Hi, I need the Pelikan Expo 2000 Technology LE FP, no. 0886/2000. I only require that serial number. Must be mint, undipped in box with papers. Please email me if you have the pen or know of a dealer with that number. Regards, JiaXian | |
| duofold | |
| 6/12/2000: David Less | |
| Thanks for the help Lynn. I am sure you are right. Unfortunately I have only seen a few streamline Senior pens and none had clip caps of more than about 1/4 inch. This one is around 1/2 inch and comes to a point at the top. Forgive my lack of knowledge but I am new at this and have a lot to learn. David. | |
| Repair site for Diplomat Fountian Pens | |
| 6/11/2000: M.L. Woy Jr. | |
| Can anyone tell me where in the United States I could get a Diplomat fountian pen repaired. I purchased one three years ago in Berlin and now I need to have it fixed. Any leads would be appreciated. PS. Does anyone know who is the US distributor for these pens? Thanks M.L. Woy | |
| Jaxson 1901 Pen | |
| 6/11/2000: Darrel Parsley | |
| Does anyone have any information on a Jaxson 1901 Pen with a gold nib? I have been trying to find out something about it, but can't seem to find anything. Thanks | |
| Adjustable nibs | |
| 6/11/2000: Bill Stevens | |
| Interesting comments from Frank and Lynn regarding adjustable nibs. I wonder if they have any thoughts on the OMAS 361 which changed flex by rotation of the nib, rather than with a slide mechanism. | |
| Combo Pencil Mechanism - WTB | |
| 6/11/2000: Michael | |
| I'm looking for a pencil mechanism, complete with GF nose cone, to fit a combo. These are the shorter mechanisms that simply push-fit into the plastic of the pencil end of the combo. It should fit a full size combo (about as fat around as a full size (not over size) Sheaffer's Balance. I'm looking for good gold fill on the nose cone and an operating mechaism. The specific size matters, but I'm willing to adapt combo and/or mechanism to fit. Please e-mail off the board with availability and price. Thanks! ~Michael~ | |
| Adjustable nibs | |
| 6/11/2000: Frank Dubiel | |
| I'll agree with Lynn the adjustable nib is neat to collect and is worth more money but as a "user" often falls short of a standard nib. They can write nicely, but the reality is the adjustments are not as wide as most folks expect and once set would seldom be changed. Due to their complexity the adjustable nibs are somewhat more fragile as well. Frank | |
| Adjustable Nibs | |
| 6/10/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| Pen makers were prone to use any kind of marketing ploy that might attract a few buyers. The adjustable nib does control flex a bit, but not that much. It does seem to be a bit more effective than the ink shutoff also found on Wahls of this era. To me the adjustable nib is just a nib with a little slide mounted on it. It has value as a collecors piece, not for use, IMO. The best Doric for everyday use is a clean one with an unfortunate but common crack in the cap lip, and a nib you like to write with whether it is correct or not. A pen like this can be had for much less than a correct collection specimen. In fact I have a very nive oversize Doric in black on which a number of different nibs could be put to suit a buyer. Lynn | |
| Wahl Doric? | |
| 6/10/2000: Byron Hinton | |
| I have been contemplating making the plunge to purchase a full or oversized Wahl Doric with roller clip. I am particularly interested in the one with the adjustable nib. I would appreciate any feedback regarding the quality of these pens, if the nib tends to be flexible or not, and opinions regarding the finickiness of the adjustable nib. I am a poor real estate appraiser and shelling out several hundred dollars for one is a serious decision (at least that is how my wife sees it!) Thanks in advance for your advice. Byron Hinton | |
| Update | |
| 6/10/2000: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Hi Everyone, Looks like we got the little glitch in the Bulletin Board fixed. Now after posting a message you can return to the homepage without getting the page not found error. Also the Y2K bug is fixed, your messages are now dated with the year 2000 instead of 100. More to come hope you enjoy. Any word on how the Houston Pen Show is going this weekend? Dean |
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| pen & pencil set | |
| 6/10/2000: Carl Stevens | |
| Need info on a set of Stratford pen & pencil set in a black case with STRATFORD in gold letters. both are gold.All still work fine they belong to my grandfather.All orig.I do not know much about pens, just they are very nice. Thank You, Carl | |
| pen sacs available | |
| 6/10/2000: Martin Smith | |
| Finally put together a printable information/order form for pen sacs and vacumatic diaphragms. Orders shipped the next business day. http://www.simcom.on.ca/woodbin Martin Smith | |
| Duofold | |
| 6/10/2000: Lynn Brant | |
| Unless I'm missing something, this sounds like an ordinary Duofold Sr from the streamlined period. In 1930, the Duofolds, along with pens from most other makers, underwent an evolution from the old flat top to a tapered or streamlined top. Hence the many model names such as Streamline, Equipoise and Symetric. If there is anything else unusual about this pen I'm not picking it up from the description and we will need more information. | |
| Anoto pen - it sends email !! | |
| 6/10/2000: Stephen Lam | |
| As a collector of Onoto pens, I am amused to read a report that Ericsson, the mobile phone manufacturer, is going to market a pen called Anoto which sends emails. I wonder why the company has chosen this name. Perhaps it was out of respect for the Onoto. I wonder if it writes on paper too. | |
| Unusual Parker Red Duofold | |
| 6/9/2000: David Less | |
| I am hoping somebody can help me identify a Parker Red Duofold Fountain Pen and Pencil Set. It is like a Big Red but wheras the flat top above the clip is usually around 3/16 inch high, this one is slightly tapered and is near 1/2 inch high. The clip just says PARKER and the pen is 5 1/4 inches closed. Any help would be appreciated. | |
| A Great deal | |
| 6/9/2000: David Crosby | |
| Solid 18Kt GOLD Aurora 990 Optima with solid 18Kt GOLD nib. Retails for $2500...will sacrafice for MUCH less make offer. Pen is still NEW- never been inked. Also complete set of 3 Limited Edition Aurora FLAG pens. Retails for $1500. Will sell for MUCH less. Will trade for other High quality pens. I love a very fine nib. All offers concidered. Thanks , DAVID | |
| Looking for pens | |
| 6/9/2000: J.F. Ouellette | |
| Here is the correct format for this message. I was wondering if anyone had the following pens for sale. If so can you send details about it or them. Thank You. Mr J.F. Ouellette. Lady Patrician in Onyx. Waterman 94 reddish brown Mahogany. Waterman 52V ripple ( red/black, rose, blue, yellow). Short Doric (4.5") in red marble Vest flat tops ( around 4.5")any brand. | |
| Looking for pens | |
| 6/9/2000: JF Ouellette | |
| I was wondering if any of you had any the following pens for sale. If so can you send details about them. Thank You J.F Ouellette Lady Patrician in Onyx Waterman 94 reddish brown Mahogany Waterman 52V ripple ( red, rose, blue, yellow) Short Doric (4.5") in red marble Vest flat tops ( around 4.5")any brand | |
| Loss of Italian Pen Friend | |
| 6/9/100: Charlie Harles | |
| I received an email from Marco Parascenzo last night informing that his father, Augusto, passed away week before last. Marco and Augusto own Novelli Pens in Rome. I was Augusto's first internet customer several years ago and enjoyed many transactions with him over the years. He was always a pleasure to correspond with. I was able to meet Augusto at the Chicago Pen Show in 1998 and share a few meals with him. I will miss him but look forward to continuing to work with Marco. | |
| friends from India respond | |
| 6/9/100: vivek | |
| hai every body to introduce myself i'm Vivek 20 M. i'm doing my BE III yr. my intrests chatting,penfriends...' stop stop.. transmission aborded meet u mail me svivek2000@yahoo.com bye | |
| Proust | |
| 6/9/100: Paula Kaufman | |
| If you don't want to buy a copy, or if it's not still in print, try your local library. If there's not one in its collection, staff can probably get one for you from another library. | |
| Trade: Fabergé Ice Blue FP | |
| 6/8/100: JiaXian | |
| Hi, I wish to trade my Fabergé Ice Blue FP for the Fabergé Coronation Yellow Fountain pen. Mine is in mint condition with all packaging, and the Coronation Yellow must be in similar condition. Please email me. Thank you. Regards, JiaXian | |
| Silverolex | |
| 6/8/100: Lynn Brant | |
| Seems to me we've heard about this before. And the consensus was that there is no connection to Rolex, that it may or may not be silver, and the value is nominal. Sorry for the bad news. For the Proust play, try a search at Amazon.com | |
| Marcel Proust | |
| 6/8/100: Marge | |
| Does anyone know where I can find the play "Remembrance of Things Past" based on Proust's book? | |
| I D Pen | |
| 6/8/100: Ed | |
| Need help in identifying and possible value of a Pen Made In Israel of Sterling Silver with the name Silverolex on the clip. | |
| RE: Custom Nibs | |
| 6/8/100: Dean Tweeddale | |
| For re-shaping your nib check with John Mottishaw, "john@nibs.com" he may be able to help you. Dean | |
| 1952 Birthday Pen | |
| 6/8/100: Laurent Hodges | |
| For a pen that is SURE to be 1952, look for a Sheffer snorkel pen or set in an original box labeled "TM model with Snorkel" and an instruction sheet dated 1052. A great pen that at the very beginning, in late 1952 (but perhaps also early 1953, I'll have to admit), was not labeled "Snorkel" but rather "TM ["Thin Model"] with Snorkel." I have one I bought which was unused and has stayed that way (my only unused pen). | |
| Stylos...cleaning old ink...second post | |
| 6/8/100: Ansel Olson | |
| This may or may not be in DaBook (I can't recall). A really good cleaning solution for removing sttubborn dried inks from old pens is made by Kohinoor for cleaning their technical drawing pens. It can be found at most art supply stores and can be thinned down with water. I am not sure of its prolonged effects on hard rubber, but I've had great success on the plastic pens I've used it on, removing ink that a long water soak couldn't touch. If you were able to just soak the tip of the pen you should be fine, capillary action might draw out the rest of the ink (might). Good luck. | |
| Custom nibs | |
| 6/8/100: Jeffrey Kantor | |
| I would like to find someone who can custom grind a copperplate nib onto one of my existing pens. | |
| Printer's Blocks | |
| 6/8/100: Lynn Brant | |
| These are not that uncommon. Those with copper seem more common that all wood. In good condition I would say $50 - $100. I have an early all wood block with a Carter's Pen on it. And since I offer everything I have to sell here first.... $100. | |
| Finding a date | |
| 6/8/100: rick devin | |
| Sorry, I guess I forgot to mention this is a fountain pen. The ink is drawn into the pen via a spring loaded plunger. maybe that will help. thanks | |
| Waterman's Printer Blocks | |
| 6/8/100: Bob Whitmire | |
| At an auction recently I bought three Waterman's printer blocks. They came from an old drugstore, and were intended as advertising aids. Engraved copper on wood, each is a a Christmas ad the drugstore could have run in a local newspaper. One of them I've put up for sale at that place which shall remain nameless, but I thought I'd drop by to ask how common these things are, especially for such premium brands as Parker and Waterman's. I'm guessing a Conklin printer's block would fetch a pretty penny, yes? At any rate, this is something I've not seen discussed here before, and I thought I'd see if anyone out there has knowledge to share. Thanx! | |
| Birthday Pen | |
| 6/8/100: Lynn Brant | |
| It is hard to find a pen from a given year (with a few exceptions) unless perhaps the pen was engraved with a date at the time. We have often discussed here that dating schemes are not as reliable as you might think. The best bet for 1952 would be to fins a Sheaffer Snorkle or an early Parker 51 aerometric. Both will be from that general period and both are fine pens at great values. You might even tell your friend it is from '52. Might be, and it would be the whitest of white lies, IMO. PS I was fortunate enough to find a Sheaffer engraved with a name and MY exact date of birth. Unfortunately, it wasn't my name. | |
| PenLovers Mission | |
| 6/8/100: Dean Tweeddale | |
| This is my mission statement I've developed for PenLovers over the last
week or so. It will be published on the site soon. PenLovers Mission Statement Fountain pen collectors, enthusiasts, and users, welcome to PenLovers.net. "The Internet Site Dedicated To Fountain Pen Lovers". PenLovers is first and foremost intended to be a service to the pen collecting community. Bringing fountain pen collectors and users a variety of information and resources to a single site. The communication forum that PenLovers creates is designed to help collectors meet each other, share information, and create friendships within the pen collecting community. As the owner and moderator of PenLovers I strive to give you the best content available and present it in an ever increasing better format. My goal is to create a site that is not static, but has new information and content for you to peruse on a regular basis. This way I can feel good about saying to you the users of PenLovers, "Enjoy Your Visit and Come Back Often!", for I know that I've done my best to give you a reason to. Dean Tweeddale |
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| Finding a date | |
| 6/8/100: rick devin | |
| I have a black plastic pen that says Spring-O-Matic made by the Traveler Pen Co., Inc New York. It has some type of inlay which looks like irredescent pieces of foil. The nib says Irridium tipped. Does any one know anything about this type of pen. thanks in advance. | |
| Looking....... | |
| 6/7/100: Jim | |
| For a pen for a friend from his birthyear, 1952. Anyone have something that might work. Let me know the details. Thanks, Jim | |
| grey sheaffer pfm-III | |
| 6/7/100: mike krut | |
| Hello, I would like to purchase or trade for a grey PFM-III. Please contact me off line. Thank you. | |
| Cleaning Stylographic Pens | |
| 6/7/100: Mike Berman | |
| How about suspending the pen so only the nib is in the cleaning solution? Check it every day or so to see if you can flush it out. Good Luck. | |
| Cleaning Stylographic Pens | |
| 6/7/100: Jim Stauffer | |
| Just acquired a Duncan Mackinnon Stylographic Pen in BCHR that's clogged with india(?) ink in the last inch or so of the barrel and, of course, around the "wire" at the tip. Anyone got some helpful hints to getting that ink cleaned out so I can use it again?? Apparently I can't soak BCHR (like I would a plastic pen) so I need to learn some new tricks. And I don't own "da Book" yet, so don't know if that's got this problem covered or not. Thanks in advance for any help you can render. | |
| 6/7/100: Pearce Jarvis | |
| I had originally left a message with some pens for sale, but it was one of thouse messages that was accidently erased. I don't mind because some of them have been sold at auction or by others. Here is a current list of what I have and prices. PARKERS Parker Duofold Sr. in black and pearl, some discolouration, missing bottom of button filler, original duofold nib but with comp feed, one mark on upper part of cap, F. $135.00 Parker Duofold Sr. in Sea green/ sea foam colour, has two tone vac nib with christmas tree feed, some discolouration, cap ends in excellent colour, has 1/3 inch crack on cap through triple rings, VG. $170.00 Parker 51 in grey with vacumatic filler, blue diamond, VERY RARE cap band, VG. $50.00 Parker Duofold ladies in jade green with ring top, triple rings with some discolouration, both original nib and feed, F. $40.00 Parker Lucky Curve pen in black, striped guilloche, bottom end cap has some damage, original nib and feed, 5 3/8 inches long, F. $45 Parker Duofold Red hard rubber Sr. pencil, engraved, has some damage to top and to one section on the body, G. $55.00 Parker Vacumatic pencil in green rings, deco band, propells and retracts lead well, VG. $30.00 Parker 51 demi set in black in original box, 51 box in beautiful, and pen and pencil are fully functional, EX. $75.00 WATERMANS & WAHL EVERSHARPS Waterman's red ripple 52 v ringed top pen, slight bend to nib, great colour, VG. $40.00 Waterman's 100 year pencil c.1940, engraved on band, great dark maroon/black colour, VG. $35.00 Wahl Eversharp Skyline pen in brown with gold filled cap, one TINY dent on cap, damage to clip, crack to cap rings, P. $20.00 Wahl Eversharp Skyline demi with striped cap, gold/maroon/white striped cap, maroon body, nice nib, VG. $40.00 Wahl eversharp very early red hard rubber full size pencil, nickle trim with nice colour, NM. $55.00 Sheaffer's and Esterbrook(s) Sheaffer balance green and black striped, 5 1/2 inches, rare nickle trim, NM. $55.00 Sheaffer balance grey and black striped, 5 1/4 inches, rare nickle trim, bladder works, VG. $30.00 Sheaffer black chassed hard rubber pen from 1914, measures 4 1/2 inches, great chassing, original #2 sheaffer nib, EX. $40.00 Esterbrook Pastel pen in peach colour, first year pastel pen, double jeweled with black jewels, bladder works, this is a rare ESTERBROOK MADE IN CANADA pen, (ones that are made in canada seem to be a lot harder to find), NM. $70.00 All prices in U.S. money, please email me for pics if you are interested. Thanks!! | |
| Pen Repair | |
| 6/7/100: Michael P. Clague | |
| Just broke the iridium off of a nice old Sheaffer Vac-Fill 1500 pen with a Triumph nib. Is there anyone who can remove this nib, sell me a replacement, and install it on this pen? Thanks Michael | |
| Changes To Pen Lovers | |
| 6/7/100: Kyle Cavanaugh | |
| Hello out there to fellow pen lovers! I am VERY impressed about the changes that Dean has made to the Pen Lovers site. It is always great when new people come in with enthusiasm and great ideas. Lynn, you've done a great job maintaining Pen Lovers and you could have not turned this site over to a better person. Kyle Cavanaugh | |
| FOUNTAIN PENS FOR SALE | |
| 6/7/100: Michael P. Clague | |
| CLAGUE'S ANTIQUES AND COLLECTIBLES - http://www.ncn.net/~mpcac/ - I just added over 20 newly restored pens to my website including a PFM III, Blue and Black Radite Sheaffer Pen and some other nice Sheaffer and Parker pens - All new additions have a **** after their item number - I offer a satisfaction guarantee - I welcome International customers - I accept Master Card, Visa, and Discover Card - Thanks, Michael | |
| FS : Latest Pelikan M200 white demostrator FP | |
| 6/7/100: Ling | |
| I am selling these much sought after demostrators for US$200 each. Email me for references. Ling Singapore | |
| 1928 Parker Duofold Airplane Model | |
| 6/6/100: Len Provisor | |
| Own a beautiful piece of Parker history. 18" wingspan, solid wood, desk base mounting. Exact detailing, spinning prop, 30 coats paint All bases will be personally signed by Geoffrey S. Parker, great grandson of George S. Parker Exact replica model from original blueprints and Parker family photos. First 100 models only will be L.E. numbered, a few #'d are still left. Very limited production, by subscription orders only, up to 12/31/00. Then there will be no more. First delivery about August, 2000. Last delivery approx. Feb.2001.Will display at Houston Pen Show $ 250. ea + frt. Four or more $200. ea + frt. VISA MASTERCHARGE AMEX PAYPAL.COM CHECKS (USA) Packed safe for international shipping. E-MAIL for model photo & vintage pictures Len Provisor Provisor Promotions, Inc. 6748 RFD Long Grove, IL 60047 ph. 847.566.3400 provisorpro@earthlink.net | |
| Penlovers Changes | |
| 6/6/100: Dean Tweeddale | |
| I’ve uploaded the first minor changes and additions to PenLovers tonight. Take a look around the site, click one of the “Contact PenLovers” buttons to let me know what you think. More content and changes will be coming over the next few weeks. The Magazine section will be pretty generic looking for a little while because my design person is out of the country for about three weeks. I’ll add the content as it comes but the design will come later. Enjoy your visit and come back often. Dean | |
| Where waz I? | |
| 6/6/100: Frank Dubiel | |
| I just got back from a weekend at Seattle where I worked as a volunteer in the only original Cinerama theater on earth fully requipped with all equipment to show those epic films. For the first time in over 35 years Cinerama lived again for a few days. Millions were spent to restore this theater and I was pleased to be there for the premiere showing. Worked nearly 20 hrs a day and loved it. No, I'll never loose a bit of interest in pens, but I have always had other interests. As Da (other) Book says---"There are more things in heaven and earth..." Leaving for Houston later this week, so may not be on line much. Get along if I'm not here to set you all on the straight and narrow path. LOL Frank | |
| Where's Frank? | |
| 6/6/100: Lynn Brant | |
| I know how to smoke him out...... "Old ink is never any good. All Wearevers are junk. Parker 51s can be dated to the month. There won't be any cookies at Columbus this year. It isn't in Da Book!" (all are damned lies of course) | |
| Bri's Pens | |
| 6/6/100: Lynn Brant | |
| The first is likely a touchdown filler of any one of several similar models. The second is a plunger filler. The 875 signifies that it sold for $8.75 when new. The clip is called a soldier clip. These were from the war years when soldiers had to have button down pockets and a clip had to allow the pen to ride low in the pocket. Sheaffer (so the story goes)solved this problem cheaply and creatively by taking a regular clip, mounting it upside down, and bending it over the pen top. Email if you want filling instructions for the two models. | |
| bri's pen(s) | |
| 6/6/100: bri | |
| Lynn, Thank you for your reply. It was a thick polished chrome variety. I can't seem to be able to unscrew any part of the pen near the nib, but there is a translucent reservoir between the "cap/body seam(?)" and the nib. ************************************* I have another W.A.SHEAFFER PEN CO. pen that is a little shorter than most and translucently striated along the length of the pen, a golden yellow and faded leafy green color(has 875 on side of pen body and cap has clip that wraps around tip of cap--is variety with thin unpolished rod in core. thanks again, -bri | |
| Bri's Pen | |
| 6/6/100: Lynn Brant | |
| Your question was deleted with a number of posts and it was entirely accidental. The information isn't quite enough to id the pen. If the tube that extends when you unscrew the end is thick and polished chrome, it is either a snorkle or touchdown filler. If it is a thin unpolished rod, it is a plunger filler. There were many models of each. If a plunger it could be from the late '30s or '40s. If a snorkle, there is also a tube that comes out from under the nib when you unscrew the end, otherwise it is a touchdown. If it is one of these two it is from the late '40s or '50s You can email me with a more complete description and filling instructions if you wish. | |
| Scheaffer Question | |
| 6/5/100: bri | |
| Hello again, I am wondering if anyone knows about the Scheaffer pen that I have. My previous inquiry I cannot even find here. Is my pen question usually considered common knowledge in pen circles, was it answered and both question and answer deleted accidentally or does my question just have bad breath? I have a Scheaffer pen that is dark green with gold(or plated) nib and I don't know the correct terminology for what type of pen it is but one unscrews and pulls the end of the pen to draw the ink into the nib end. It writes really nice and I use it every day. I don't collect pens. I collect old and nifty keys, but I love my green pen and would love to know a little about it. If anyone can shed some light on this please let me know. thank you -bri | |
| Delta 366 Fountain Pens | |
| 6/5/100: Allen Gross | |
| I have a limited quanity of the new Delta 366 transluscent fountain pens arriving this week. List price is 265.00 / OUR PRICE 185.50, plus ups shipping. Email or call 215-654-1555. For those of you who are planning to attend the Houston pen show, these new pens will be with us !!! | |
| Clip for Onoto Magna | |
| 6/4/100: Stephen Lam | |
| I am looking for a clip (more would be even better) for the Onoto Magna. Brassing is not a problem. Please email if you have any to spare . | |
| Tibaldi fountain pen | |
| 6/4/100: Gerry Cruise | |
| For sale, Tibaldi model 50 fountain pen made of amber colored celluloid with dark blue veins running through it. The pen is a piston filler with an 18k gold medium nib. The pen has the gold plated Tibaldi "tie" shapped clip and 3 gold plated cap rings. It has never been filled. Comes with all original packaging...$275.00 | |
| monte blanc pen- repair | |
| 6/3/100: Tom Anderson | |
| I dropped my monte blanc pen and the top cap came off and was broken into small pieces. The pen was a gift and I would like to get a new top for the pen or have it repaired. Who does this type of work? Thanks for your suggestions. | |
| Fresh lot of Esterbrooks for sale | |
| 6/3/100: Andrew J. Gnoza, III | |
| e mail for a list - some "AS IS" specials - some need sacs and polishing - no junkers or parts pens !!! | |
| Parker 51 14KTrim for Sale | |
| 6/3/100: Dayne | |
| Have a nice double jewelled Parker 51, black, 14K clip and trim. Perfect lined cap with the arrow band - $350. Not restored but will do so if buyer wishes. | |
| thanks repost | |
| 6/3/100: Michael G. Wilson | |
| Hi Lynn and Dean - I'll repost my thank you for the efforts you, Lynn, have put into Penlovers and you, Dean, will soon put into the board. I read the board nearly every day, but usually just lurk and learn. (Wonder if that could be a new catch phrase -- "Lurk & Learn")? :-). At any rate, the board is a first rate tool for learning about this wonderful hobby. I value the friends I've made here, both those I've met in person and those met through the cyberspace. Thanks again, Lynn and good luck with your new career. I hope to see many years of posts from everyone to come. Michael Wilson | |
| Pen ID | |
| 6/2/100: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Paul, Take the pen with you to your local office supply super store, (Staples, Office Max, Office Depot, etc.), go to their pen refil dept. and I'm fairly certain that you'll find a refil that will fit. If not buy the Eversharp "Snap-it Ever Gel" refill kit these can be cut to size and come with various adapters. Good Luck, Dean | |
| pen identification | |
| 6/2/100: Paul | |
| I was given a pen by my wife years ago. I am trying to find a refill for it. It is marked on the gold band around the top Montblanc Meiterstruck. The pen itself is wood toned with grain and all.(looks like maple or pine)Avery beatiful writing tool...I have called around to various locales and no one can help. If any one knows about this pen I would appriciate any help. Thank you Paul | |
| Parker Penman Ink | |
| 6/2/100: Fred Krinke | |
| This is for Glenn, The Fountain Pen Shop (www.fountainpenshop.com) still has a few bottles of Parker Penman Saphire Blue Ink, it sells for $8.75 U.S. Plus S/H $5.00 | |
| Wahl Gold Seals | |
| 6/2/100: Lynn Brant | |
| The Wahl gold seal indicated a lifetime warranty. Gold seal pens also had gold seal nibs (they say gold seal on the nib). At times the factory shipped out gold seal pens (parts were parts) with warranted nibs rather than gold seal nibs. At those times they drilled the seal to invalidate the warranty. Today we see pens with drilled seals but with correct gold seal nibs. This was an after the fact switch of nibs in all liklihood. Pens with intact seals are a bit more desirable, nib not withstanding, than the drilled ones. | |
| Wahl Gold Seals | |
| 6/2/100: Nick Dobson | |
| Can anyone tell me what it means when a Wahl gold seal has been drilled? Thanks, Nick | |
| Filling the Hole | |
| 6/2/100: Lynn Brant | |
| Part of the block of messages that got deleted was my post that I am turning PenLovers over to a new owner, and then Dean's post introducing himself. For those that didn't get to read that here's the basics: I have greatly enjoyed building PenLovers and I am proud of the contribution to the hobby that it represents. I want it to continue and grow but I realize I am not the right person to take it to the next level. I have not had time to do the things with PL that I've wanted to do, and since I'm making a career change I won't have that time in the future. I discussed this with Frank and others at the Chicago show. There were a number of parties interested in buying PenLovers but I decided on Dean Tweeddale because he is a true PenLover and I think he will keep the spirit of the site alive while taking it new places at the same time. I will continue as a regular on the board, and Dean and I have discussed some other roles I might play. For those who have asked, I have decided that I've been a government bureaucrat for too long, and I'm going into a private venture on my own. I'm sorry for the lost posts, I should have backed Dean up by backing up the board myself. Anyone wishing to repost please do so. Lynn | |
| Rubbermaid and pen purchases | |
| 6/2/100: Kristi | |
| An AP article in today's paper quoted Victoria Gilbert of Newell Rubbermaid as saying that her company is negotiating to buy Paper Mate, Parker, and Waterman pen brands from Gilette. Newell Rubbermaid owns Sanford pens (make Sharpie markers). Does anyone know what two European pen makers have been "recently acquired" by the Freeport,Ill. based company? | |
| Dean's blunder | |
| 6/1/100: Kristi Keller | |
| Well Dean, it is always good to find out that other people have computer goofs! As for dipping your head in ink......guess we will all have to forgive you rather than search out a piece of paper worthy of such a "broad nib". Best wishes in the new venture. | |
| Thanks, Lynn | |
| 6/1/100: Charlie Harles | |
| I'm a quiet "reader" but Penlovers has been invaluable to me. Thanks and good luck! | |
| I told you it wasn't easy | |
| 6/1/100: Lynn Brant | |
| One of Dean's first attempts at editing the board resulted (through no fault of his) in the loss of 2 weeks worth of posts. Well hey, it's not like I never did that is it? Anyway, I want to thank everyone for their kind words and I really regret the loss of those that were deleted since I didn't save them. Its those words of encouragement that kept me going and I appreciate them now even more. I will still be a presence here, at the shows, and in the hobby in general. Lynn | |
| Opps-First Blunder | |
| 6/1/100: Dean Tweeddale | |
| Well here it is not but a few days into being the caretaker of Penlovers, and what happens my first blunder. While editing the bulletin board this evening I had downloaded it to my computer and in the middle of uploading if back to Penlovers my better half calls from out of the country. This corrupted the uploading process and I at first thought that I’d lost the whole bulletin board. Not entirely the case as you can see. A few of the newer posts had made it on the upload and I was able to salvage some from my hard drive. Here’s the problem though I lost all posts between May 16th and May 31st . There were a lot of messages thanking Lynn Brant for what he has done in creating Penlovers and wishing him well in his new career. I was going to print those out and send them to Lynn, so if you could help me here, if your post is gone maybe repost if your so inclined. If I screw up again and I know I will, you can dip my head in ink and use my nose for the nib. Dean | |
| stylographic and Mackinnon pens | |
| 6/1/100: Douglas Lanska, M.D. | |
| I am researching instruments and devices used in the 19th century for writer's cramp. At the time it was felt that "The stylographic and Mackinnon pens, although they estroy much of the originality in handwriting, are easier to wriet with than the pen, as less pressure is required to be maintained between the point and the paper." I would appreciate any information on this subject. Thank you. | |
| Acid-Free Cross Pen refills | |
| 6/1/100: John McClenon | |
| A friend and I turn our own pens on a lathe with all kinds of exotic woods. My wife has brought to my attention that she loves the look and feel of these pens but cannot use them in her scrapbook adventures because the ink is not of acid-free / archival type. I can't seem to find these types of refills anywhere. Does anybody know where I can find such an animal (if they exist) thereby freeing me of the wrath of my wife and her scrapbooking minions? | |
| Good Luck to both of you. | |
| 6/1/100: Dee | |
| I wish you both best of luck in your new endeavors. This board has been both very friendly helpful and informative. Change is good, it means you are growing. Good Luck Dee | |
| Thanks, Lynn | |
| 6/1/100: John DiClemente | |
| A quick note here to say thanks to Lynn for Penlovers, and also for his help and support to me four years ago when I first started with the vintage pen habit, er, hobby. I bought my first vintage pen from Lynn, a three-band Vac, after endless e-mails back and forth about it. It was a great pen, and one which I still use on a near daily basis. Lynn answered questions for me as I began to scope out pens at flea markets and resale shops. This was all pre-Penlovers. His support for the on-line pen collecting community has continued. We will miss your daily presence, Lynn, but I hope you will still be around on this board for some time to come. Good luck with your new endeavors! | |
| Best Wishes Lynn | |
| 6/1/100: Peter Ford | |
| Thanks for helping me to connect with penlovers in the outside world from Australia. | |